C15 Camshaft problems?

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by droy, Apr 22, 2009.

  1. Gambino1994

    Gambino1994 Light Load Member

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    I see you have a 1600lb rated transmission. What was your original horsepower and what do you think you're running now? Reason I ask is i just rebuilt my 475hp 5EK with 550hp/1850tq pistons so i can upgrade later if i want. I have a rtlo16713a and have been asking around if i should go to a 1800lb trans but everyone says i should just stay with what I got.
     
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  3. droy

    droy Heavy Load Member

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    Was running a 475, now 550. Leased out, and run 80,000 gross now, but previously hauled grain with a '96 W900 and RTLO16713, and very strong 475 3406E.
    I know quite a few people who run 475s flashed to 550, with the 1600# trannys. Hauling grain, most of us had the 100,000# permit, which to a Cajun, means 100,000# in the trailer. When loading in the field, and coming out with those big loads, you know things were in a bind. The only time I remember a disaster, was a fellow who had purchased one of my fathers Volvos, with a stock 12.7, 470 Detroit. He was easing out of a field near Waco TX, when the trans disenagrated, but this fellow could manage to break a ball bearing in a plowed field.

    Repair shop stated that my failure was due to low / no oil in trans, or flooded with engine coolant from the heat exchanger, as the shafts, and bearing that gave up were discolored with blue heat markings.
     
  4. Jas

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    If you treat it right the 1600 will be fine, I did a repower with a 1600 box, we took out a 475 5EK and put in a strong 550 6NZ. the truck had done 700000km on the repower last time I saw it and the box was fine.

    Droy, thanx for the update. sorry to hear of your bad luck, if you are doing the box anyway it probably would be a good idea to up it to an 1800 ft/lb. I did hear once that the only differance between the 1600 and 1800 was a pressure feed to one bearing instead of splash feed, the guy I talked to said it was possible to convert a 1600 to 1800, but I dont know if this is true or not as I have never done it.
     
  5. droy

    droy Heavy Load Member

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    Thanks to you, Jas, and the others for all their advice, and help. Should do a separate post thanking everybody, but I'll do it here. I'd probably still be pulling hair, and walking around mumbling like an Evinrude outboard motor if not for you guys.
    I'd like to especially like to thank DDS, who went way beyond just flashing an ECM for me. He took the time to locate one, flash it with my configurations, and ship it from his location in Canada, to me in Louisiana, following up with countless phone calls to help me get up and running. The amount of time he devoted to my ordeal made me feel like I was his #1 customer.
    Also would like to thank Rockhauler for his calls and time.
    Nice to know there are still a few of you'll that care!

    Jas, I had no idea about the "splash/pressure" lubrication being the only difference in a 1600# and 1800# trans. Mine was done by a rebuild shop, curious now, and will call to see if the mod was done, it wouldn't have saved mine, but it would add a little piece of mind, IMHO.


    Something I was told, which I want to share, the rebuild guy told me that #1 cause of catastrophic trans failure was low/no oil;
    #2 was engine coolant getting in the trans.
    He recommended going to an air cooler that bolts onto the back of the trans, said Pete dealers offer one, but he didn't know the cost.
    Might not be an option for you guys running the really cold areas, but sounds like a good idea for a "warm weather wuss" like myself.

     
  6. sleepless nights

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    Good to hear you got fixed up. When you converted the turbo to the old style with the hose comming out of the compressor side of the turbo, did you block the metal line that ran from the filter housing around the back of the engine to the turbo off?Because if it isn't blocked off you will lose boost.
     
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  7. cat from the valley

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    droy the air cooler will send up tranny temps i tried it but returned to the coolant cooler, by the way am in hot jamaica
     
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  8. Les2

    Les2 Road Train Member

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    I had an old RTLO12513 that used to run 250-275 all the time, but it wasn't designed to take the hp/torque that the truck was putting out. Heated it up over 300 once, it didn't last much longer. I've got one of those air cooled RTLO16913A now and love it. It's heated up to 200-220 but thats the most and it was working hard that day.
     
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  9. Jas

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    That is what I was told, I'm not sure if its fact of fiction but the place that rebuilt your box should know for sure.

    BTW Your welcome for any of my ramblings that was of use to you:biggrin_25525:.
     
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  10. special-k

    special-k Road Train Member

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    About the trans,I just had my 18 spd rebuilt and the tranny shop showed me a tranny with pressure oiling. It was a 13 spd but he said it wasn't on any 18 spds they've seen. It didn't add anything to the torque rating. It was supposed to help the front gears live longer but he didn't see any improvement. He also said the oil pump is only there to pump the oil through the cooler. He did agree with the statement about the oil cooler and oil loss being the biggest killer of trans.
     
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  11. droy

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    What I did, was disconnect both steel lines going to the box behind the fuel filter housing, I then cut the line that comes from the turbo, and routed it into the head where the short line used to connect to the head from the box, basically eliminating the box, and the short line. I haven't plugged the fittings on the box yet, (darn special fittings), but I don't think the box would have any effect on my boost, as no lines are now connected to it, and ECM is now a 6NZ.
    I'm kind of wondering if I should disconnect any wires, such as the fuel temp plug on the filter housing. Seems I vaguely remember reading something like that when converting MBN to 6NZ, but I could have been dreaming.



    Cat from the valley, do you remember how much of an increase in temps you experienced when switching from the coolant to the air cooler?
    I run mostly in home state of Lousy-anna, where it is pretty hot also. The coolant hoses have valves on them at the engine block, and both are shut; Was like that when I purchased the truck, and according to gauge, trans runs plenty cool, barely above 150 degrees most times, so basically, I am running without any external cooling. I'm thinking that adding any sort of cooler would only be an improvement, and insurance.
     
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