Ahhh the dreaded WERNER

Dance some people just dont want to listen, let them believe what they choose. Once people get there mind made up, they stubborn and they will not listen. True are not.

 

Wow!! hahahaha!!

Could the same be said for those pushing that story? Hmmm???

Hey, I have an open mind. I'd believe that story if I could just see some shred of evidence. Sorry, but I'm not going to just believe every story that has been flying around the internet like that. If you want to, that fine, I wont fault you for it, but don't get judgmental when someone wont believe everything you type. All I'm asking for is some proof, just like all of the other stories flying around.

If you maintain it is true, just show me why you think it is true. No insults needed here, no judgments, no rolling of the eyes. Just explain your case without giving up and going the direction of insults. So far, I've seen no attempt whatsoever to prove these wild claims.

 

I explained quiet clearly why it was true. NO internet research needed, or used. Without any of the offending material you allude to, other than a smart ### comment about sleeping better.

You don't have to believe me. Drop over to the former CFI driver forum, and ask any of the drivers who have been there for over 5 years or who started training drivers when they offered it several years back.

The amount that was given to CFI didn't come up to 10k per student. But it was well into the 6 figure atmosphere.

There are still people who believe the twin towers were brought down by carefully placed charges.

You're free to believe what you want. But just because I can't produce a scanned copy of the actual 3 or 4 year old document. Doesn't mean it isn't true.

Why would anybody save such a document? It's worthless.

 

well my dad sat for 2 weeks before he got his rig,and that was 2 years ago. He just recovered trucks for them while waiting. He said they were left in bad shape. I guess Werner upset some ppl.

 

No, you explained quite clearly what was in your CFI Newsletter. And BTW, the smar *** comment about sleeping better did not come from me.

I think you are misunderstanding exactly what I'm looking for. I am not looking for copies of your CFI newsletter, because it really means nothing to me. I want to know where the money came from and how much it was, what Bill was passed to provide it, etc. These "mysterious" checks that were written were allocated in some way, and recorded in some way. The Federal government (if that is who paid the money) does not just write checks to private corporations without *some* sort of hullabaloo. Even THEY arent that stupid (but then again, considering the most recent porkulus packages...).

Now, I do remember tax credits given for hiring new trainees some years ago, but I dont even think the TAX CREDITS amounted to $10k/trainee. $6k is a little more believable, but even then, it has to be a little more involved than just writing a check to CFI from the taxpayers once they provide proof that they completed training someone. Like someone said before, it would be more profitable to just train people, then lay them off.

Oh, and I'm not one of those conspiracy theorists who buy into that "well placed charges" or "inside job" story floating around the web. I've never seen a black helicoptor, even having been in the Marine Corps for 11 years. Not really into all that nonsense. I take wild stories with a grain of salt until I find out the truth. Typically, I find that most wild stories stem from some truth somewhere. In other words, there is more than likely some shred of truth to the $10k per trainee deal, and as most stories do, it grew from there into the behemoth fable that it is today.

I have actually been cruising Google, Snopes, Lexus Nexus, and congressional websites looking for references to cash payments for training new hires for any type of business. So far, nothing. But I'll keep trying.

As are you, and like I said, I am not faulting you for believing it. But again, I'm not looking for scanned copies of something that CFI published, I'm looking for the details in the government action that resulted in $10k payments to CFI or any company for training new hires. And of course, just because a boatload of people claim it to be true, does not make it true. I think it's pretty obvious that CFI wouldnt lie about getting free cash to train people, but $10k each? You dont see the problem with that claim?

Frankly, with as long as this has been floating around the internet, I'm surprised it is not on Snopes yet.

 

I was referring to my smart ## comment

It came from the Fed, as part of program for "retraining" unemployed people. I want to say, the total was about $127k. That was CFI's share, not the total distribution. I don't know the exact bill, nor do I know the name of the program. I just know we (CFI) got it when I was there.

Really, there isn't a story here. This happens all the time within other industries. The Fed has historically had programs to offset/reduce company pay out of wages to people who were being placed for training or retraining. Some subsidize the wages, others offer tax breaks to participating companies.

It's never been a secret. It's just not talked about often enough it seems.

I worked for a furniture manufacturer that received Federal Funding for training handicap people. We only accepted a limited number per year though. The Fed picked up 60% of their hourly wages, while in training.

Hell, there were times when I thought 150% wasn't enough. Some of these folks were difficult.

 

It's not secret information, just not widely advertised or divulged by the government.(ie The gov't similarly doesn't like to advertise or divulge that the Federal Reserve Bank is privately owned) As there are some NOT so savory implications a 'Privately' owned Federal Reserve Bank poses.

These programs are at the Federal level. Again, you can see more than 1,800 online(including federal training programs in transportation) here: https://www.cfda.gov/ When I was in college, I had a Grad student friend that got a grant with assistant stipend to teach a summer class on proper grant writing(it's actually sort of an art). Interestingly, as you'll soon find out with a little research, one can write very similar grants to different gov't departments and perhaps get BOTH(ie Dept. of Agriculture/Dept. of Education ect.....)

Again, go to the site above and view the gov't progams. It's certainly NOT rumors or rubbish.

 

Yep, I'm quite familiar with the issue with the Federal Reserve. And yes, I know there are a lot of programs that are not actively publicized (except by the idiot in the suit with the question marks all over it).

Actually wrote a grant request when I started grad school (never finished grad school), I do remember how we used to "massage" the proposals to look like a need rather than a want. This was for an MBA. Should have finished that. Just got tired of eating Kraft Macaroni and Cheese.

I've seen the many listings of Govt programs, and yes, I've seen them added to almost every year. My biggest question (concern?) was the amount and how liberal the program has been made to seem over the years of this flying around the web. $10k is a little steep per person to just be writing checks for. If you think about it, that would make a LOT of companies (I'm certain that there would be some limitations) very interested in hiring people with the sole purpose of training them, then tossing them out into the street. One stands to make a HUGE amount of money just by training people. I do remember (at the corporate level) providing documentation on a quarterly basis of new hires, the length of employment, and (this is the important part) the length of their training period and probationary period. This was for my dept only, each dept did their own paperwork. We didn't get tax credits for all that we submitted, I would estimate no more than about 40%. Still, it was significant tax savings in the long run.

 

I'm very concerned too.... With further reasearch on the site I posted, a company(ie Werner) meeting certain criteria can actually lobby for new gov't progams. In other words, these companies can write their own ticket.

Example:
Say Werner decides to offer a trucker certification program for drivers that complete 100,000 safe miles. If Werner meets certain gov't criteria(ie hires 50-100 new driver per month). Werner can lobby for a gov't funded progam to fund the trucker certification. Werner can/would receive $$$ for every Werner trucker awarded the 100,000 safe mile certification. The trucker would get wall plaque or a jacket.

Keep in mind, what I posted above is merely a hypothetical example and Werner is NOT the only company engaged in such action.

 

Irish Papa, I'm fresh out of school now and have a choice between Arrow and Prime. Can you or anyone else offer any advice, stories, opinions please? Any help will be appreciated.