Eaton 18 speed play in gears

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Collie, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. Collie

    Collie Guest

    SO i spent a couple hours today taking things apart to pull my trans and do a clutch as well as possibly just throwing in a eaton reman trans from peterbilt.
    I definitely need a clutch amungst other things while trans is out. Anyhow, after i removed my hydraulic pump and pto, i was able to look up in the trans and see a few things. In the video i took, you will see the gear set on the right appears to have up and down movement. I dont know exactly what im looking at. Im thinking maybe crosshsaft?? Any way, while im rotating the big gears, you will see the smaller gears on the right having what appears to be up and down movement, look at the dark shadow gap under that one gear.
    Trans makes a rock crusher sound while creeping in low speed. Like gear sound. Anyhow, your thoughts on the video
     
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  3. pushbroom

    pushbroom Road Train Member

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    Thats a gear on the mainshaft. They will have some play in them, they dont stiffen up til the sliding collar locks them in. Nothing wrong there. Pop the lid off and see how things look there. Hows the oil? And shrapnel on the magnets?
     
  4. Collie

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    no shrapnel on bottom plug just a little shaving material. The silvery mush material but not much. I had the auxillary done last year and the shop must be like all shops, they must reuse old oil from other peoples trans. The oil that came out of my trans was brown looking and nasty.
    Soon as i get trans out tomorrow ill pop the top and take some pictures and a video of the gears to see if you see anything out of the ordinary.
     
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  5. AModelCat

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    Those mainshaft gears floar on the mainshaft. They're suspended by the countershaft gears. There needs to be some movement there for things to move nice.
     
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  6. swaan

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    Agree, that is normal.
     
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  7. Collie

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    howdy drivers, I got the trans out earlier. Couldnt find any carnage inside to show you so sorry about that. The input shaft and gear have alot of play and when you rotate, there is a alot of slop. Forgot to mention that 3rd and 7th arent that forgiving of gears to grab so i know there is an issue somewhere in that department as well. So that and the marbles in a can sound are the transmission issues i have. Here is video
     
  8. AModelCat

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    Had the same thing with my RTO-15615. Apparently its normal for there to be rotational slop between the input shaft and input drive gear, at least on mine anyways. Eaton went to thinner teeth on the input shaft. Gear shop said its fine. I bought their aftermarket shaft with the old style teeth for peace of mind.
     
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  9. pushbroom

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    Completely normal. Front of the input shaft gets supported by the pilot bearing in the flywheel. From the pto hole you should be able to reach a magnet in the bottom of the case. See what comes off of it or get a pic with a mirror. Might also want to drain the oil out of your diffs or at least inspect the magnets on the drain plugs of them.
     
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  10. Collie

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    i checked the diff magnets and only found a little bit of that sludge type metal specs that you normally find.
    As far as the marbles in a can go, i verified the sound with people walking along side truck while creeping and definately coming from transmission. So its down to a wth going on. I could take the trans to a shop locally to have it gone through, but i think ill just call it a day and have peterbilt give me a reman and start fresh.
    I have questions
    My input shaft is a 10 spline, what tips can you give me to make life easier to reinstall the trans.
    What bolts should i locktight.
    Im installing a new flywheel as well.
    Locktight with red or blue?
    Locktight flywheel bolts and clutch bolts?
    Any reason not to go with a 2 piece clutch brake?
     
  11. pushbroom

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    Put the clutch on the trans and then install together. All you have to lineup is the input shaft in the pilot bearing and then the clutch can be bolted up once the trans is. Blue locktite on bellhousing bolts and clutch bolts. Clutch will have torque spec in the install instructions, I want to say 56ftlbs?
    I wouldn't locktite the flywheel bolts, just a bit of oil on them. What motor?
    I like the single piece clutch brake as it is torque limiting stopping abuse. 2 piece clutch brakes arent. You can install a 2 piece if you want, pin style not the handcuff. Put a light coat of grease on it.

    Sound can travel up the driveline easy. I don't know how many people have blamed the trans when its driveline angles or diff. Not saying its the case in this one, just a caution.
     
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