Eld repeal, odds?

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by Andystrans, Oct 27, 2019.

  1. bryan21384

    bryan21384 Road Train Member

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    I think it may be the case for some accidents. I think poor training is the bigger cause. I don't think many people are trained properly in the eld era. Many drivers are still trained like things were in the old days.
     
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  3. bryan21384

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    What that guy did was stupid. Of course people will bend the rules a little bit. FMCSA isn't stupid. DOT isn't stupid. It isn't the same as running 2 log books. People aren't going to creep for 200 miles lol
     
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  4. Andystrans

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    I’ll agree that a lot of the new drivers lack proper training and frankly some common sense as well. However I don’t think that is major cause for the increased fatalities over last years or the years prior data. I still believe it’s more to do with drivers racing the eld clock like it was predicted by many before the mandate took affect. I don’t think it’s the mega company driver, more so the small fleets and o/o that did use to run 2 log books but did so in a less dangerous manner (obviously still not safe) then speeding down a 2 lane hwy. That’s what I have been arguing like many others, the ELDs lack flexibility that a lot of these guys are use to. I guess if we would somehow be able to compare causes of each fatal accident that would give us a better idea (speeding or sleep deprived, etc) I do have to say this thread has been somewhat productive to my surprise.
     
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  5. bryan21384

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    Bro....people don't change habits. If someone is the type of person to speed on paper, they will speed on elog too. Now, the data doesn't tell the whole story. Were 4 wheelers involved? Did someone cut off that driver? Was the driver on the phone? It just says fatalities are up since elog implementation. The data don't even show if it's from companies or megas, level of experience, etc. Stats can be manipulated to get a narrative over
     
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    "....If someone is the type of person to speed on paper, they will speed on elog too..."

    Paper gives more flexibility. If I know I can fudge 20-30 minutes before shutting down, there's no need to speed. You won't see me idling around a parking lot like a snail to cheat a stupid ELD.

    As far as the data goes, you can break it out any way you want until you have a 100-page spreadsheet. The raw data will stay the same though
     
  7. Timin770

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    So cheating in the parking lot is OK. Got it
     
  8. Long FLD

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    The “raw data” is only the total number and it’s pretty useless. Truck capacity had increased so a reasonable conclusion would be since there are more trucks there will be more accidents that will result in more deaths. If the number of trucks on the road is the same or fewer than pre-ELD then it would be reasonable to assume that the mandate has led to more deaths. Without the miles traveled it’s just a stand alone number that can’t really be tied to anything.
     
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  9. Long FLD

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    How many deaths were local guys running a timecard?
    How many deaths were guys driving an exempt truck?
     
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  10. Andystrans

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    We can split hairs all day long but the fact is, nothing else changed majorly in the past year other then the eld mandate. So that’s why I believe and honestly it was even predicted by others before the mandate that this would happen. 4 wheeler related, on the phone, or just the growing number of trucks did not change much over the prior year. In fact this it what it says “This is the highest number of such deaths since 1988, making this stat a 30-year high” so last time we had a year with so much fatal accidents was in 1988, no cell phones and a whole lot less trucks on the road. I’m not saying all of the fatal accidents where eld related, but everything mentioned that could be the cause of the accident has not recently changed. Only the eld mandate has. I honestly don’t understand why it’s so hard for some to believe that this is possible. Less time flexibility = more reckless actions taken. Let’s be honest, are you really going to be so sleep deprived if you go 1 or even 2 hrs over the 11 hr limit that your likely to cause a fatal accident vs driving reckless because now you can’t drive that extra hr and your trying to make up some time you lost.
     
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  11. Long FLD

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    The ones who don’t like the ELD will blame everything on the ELD, and that’s how it will continue to be I suppose. They’re talking about more flexible hours of service yet very few got involved. I would’ve thought that people would get behind the proposals due to the fact that everyone wants the “flexibility” of paper and yet most were quiet when some flexibility might be added to the hos. The guy who penned the letter asking for immediate repeal of the mandate is nothing but a crook who won’t be taken seriously in DC. So to answer your original question, the chance is zero because there’s too much money behind them on the other side.

    Run an old engine, haul livestock, or figure out how to run differently so the ELD doesn’t affect you as much. I don’t love mine, but I didn’t want another old truck. So I waited to buy a truck again until I knew I had something lined up where the ELD wouldn’t be a game changer. Owner operators and small business don’t have the big money behind them to get any face time in Washington. Adapt and overcome or get left behind.
     
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