***the Lumper Scam***

Discussion in 'Shippers & Receivers - Good or Bad' started by starstress, Dec 8, 2006.

  1. truckerdave1970

    truckerdave1970 On Probation

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    If what I hear is true, and lumper fees are agreed upon between the SHIPPER and the RECV'R, why the hell is it up to the driver/motor carrier to pay anyone? let the RECV'R deduct the lumper charges from their bill when the SHIPPER charges for those goods! IMHO, lumper charges should never be seen by the driver!
     
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  3. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    When the consignee buys a product from the manufacturer, usually it is agreed that the product will be delivered to the consignee's dock. That is, on the dock, period. A lot happens between the manufacturer, shipper, carrier, broker and consignee that the truck driver isn't aware of. Lumper fees are almost always charged back to the shipper. A carrier cannot afford to pay $100-$300 for a lumper and make a profit. The lumper fee may be figured in with the transportation cost. Each and every warehouse does it differently. Who unloads a rail car full of toilet paper at the consignee? If you are an O/O or L/P driver and have to pay for a lumper out of your pocket, you are getting ripped off. It may be figured into the rate, but you would have to be advised before you accepted the load and then it would be a percentage split with your company, since you are probably doing the 72% deal. Over the years, I've had dispatch tell me to try to get the lumper fee down, only because, it's more money in the companies pocket. :biggrin_2552:
     
  4. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    My thoughts exactly! If all of this stuff is arranged and whatnot, why do they come up to the driver talking money? If it has nothing to do with me, then dont expect me to play secretary.

    I wouldnt urinate on a lumper for fear he was thirsty.
     
  5. truckerdave1970

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    here's an idea.
    anytime we have to drive thru a major city during rush hour, we charge a "congestion pricing" =$100 or more depending on what city or how bad the traffic is
    did u get bad drcts for the shipper or recv'r, we charge a fee for that based on how bad you get lost.
    everytime we have to put the truck in reverse to back into a dock, backing charge to cover the extra liability. of course the more difficult the maneuver, the more we charge (ie blind side off the street very dangerous and hard=very expensive)
    if we have to drop the trailer and pull away from it to unloaded and then re-hook, well, $50.
    Just imagine, getting paid extra $ to DO YOUR JOB!
    Sounds kinda stupid,huh?
    what do you think lumper fees are?
     
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  6. _ton bundle

    _ton bundle Road Train Member

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    Your company is passing the cost back to the billed customer, and they should be billing any comcheck/tcheck fees back to them as well. So the carrier shouldn't have any real cost associated with the process.

    I wouldn't even pay it out of my pocket and get reimbursed, I would just call the dispatcher and have them read the express code. Just carry a few extra blank tchecks or comchecks with you (most lumper services will have extra blank ones as well, if they want to get paid). That way no money leaves my bank account, and I'm not on the hook for anything as long as I hold on to the lumper receipt.

    If you do it that way, then its just another one of life's injustices that doesn't have to bother you. I figure that grocery warehouse CEO's nephews must be the ones running the lumper services. I just wish that $300 would buy a little quicker service...
     
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  7. blackw900

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    That's why I pull a flatbed...Not really, But it's just one of the perks of flatbedding.
     
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    Some already do this. We haul a P&G load where all of the lumper fees are prepaid. I can't say that P&G does this on all of their loads, and I don't think it is the wave of the future. I agree with you that if you are going to use a lumper system, then this is the way to do it.
     
  9. _ton bundle

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    You'd better believe that when trucks have been tight in the past, trucking companies charge for ALL of those things and more. They may have more politicallly correct terms for it, but the PITA charges are out in full force when trucks are tight. The sad thing is that the driver doesn't see a piece of that action in the good times.

    Its all about supply and demand, and right now the shippers are swinging the hammer.
     
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  10. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    Inquiring minds want to know...if you went to a yard and the forklift driver hit you up for a couple hundred bucks, would you make a hard left or a hard right after you removed the securements?:biggrin_25525:
     
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  11. kajidono

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    Depends on which way I have to go to avoid the potholes.
     
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