ELD Rule Exemption Hypothetical

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by WadeH, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. WadeH

    WadeH Bobtail Member

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    So I've read through this FAQ and I'm just not seeing the clarity on this point that you seem to have found.

    What seems clear to me that the 'letter of the law' in § 395(a)(1)(i) is that "...a motor carrier operating commercial motor vehicles must install ... an ELD..."

    In the link you've provided, I don't find an exception. Could you be so kind as to quote the specific citation that exempts the carrier in the above hypothetical from installing an ELD in their straight truck?
     
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  3. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    I've already quoted the specific regulation. You choose to read more into it than what is there. Sorry I can't help further.
     
  4. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    In theory you could have 4 different drivers sharing the same truck and as long as none of them need a graph log more than 8 days out of 30 then the truck doesn’t need an ELD. The ELD is for the driver to log their hours of service, it isn’t for tracking the vehicle.
     
  5. WadeH

    WadeH Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for your reply.

    I think I understand the argument you and others are making here. But I can't find any authoritative citation anywhere that seems to indicate that there is an exception to the rule found in § 395(a)(1)(i) that "...a motor carrier operating commercial motor vehicles must install ... an ELD..." The way I read this citation, even in context of the full citation, is that both:

    1) the motor carrier shall install the ELD
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    2) the motor carrier shall require drivers to use an ELD, with certain exceptions as described.

    It seems to me that the argument that no ELD is needed in the commercial motor vehicle because no driver of that vehicle is required to use the ELD is similar to making the argument that a driver is not required to come to a complete stop at a four-way stop sign if no other traffic is approaching.

    Even though we might understand the spirit of the law, citations are issued for violations of the letter of the law.

    What am I missing?
     
  6. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    You’re missing the fact that an ELD isn’t for tracking the vehicle. It is for the driver to record their hours of service. You’re overthinking this is all. You’ll be running under an exemption. You don’t need to do a paper log so you don’t need an ELD. Really no different than people running on the Ag exemption or the livestock exemption.
     
  7. WadeH

    WadeH Bobtail Member

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    But aren't the Ag and livestock exemptions written into law?

    Is it written into law anywhere that a carrier is exempted from installing an ELD into one of it's commercial vehicles if the driver(s) of that vehicle is not required to use an ELD?
     
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    Reason for edit: Posting error & clarification of text.
  8. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    It’s not for the vehicle. It’s for the driver. If the driver doesn’t need it the vehicle doesn’t need it. I don’t know how else to say it. You’re thinking into it way too much.

    You can have a brand new truck and if the driver doesn’t need a paper log more than 8 days a month it wouldn’t need an ELD.
     
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  9. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    You leave us to assume that the Class B drivers are on a time clock (or salary). Secondly, the restriction/exemption is 150 air miles, not 100.
    In your scenario, these drivers begin and end their shift at the same location, and records are kept at the plant. Management has given them specific responses to any questions from DOT, including show them a current log.

    My question: Why confuse a situation with unnecessary documentation? Are they local or not? Since they qualify for local transport;
    1. 150 air mile radius
    2. Begin and end shift same location.
    3. Don't exceed the 14 or 11 hour rule.
    They are LOCAL DRIVERS,
    If one of the interstate drivers were to be used to do a local run for a day or so, his/her duty hours would need to be recorded into the ELD data after the shift is completed, they should maintain a paper log for the day and transfer the hours to the data base.
    Don't complicate a relatively simple situation with excessive documentation. Bills of lading, registration, and proof of insurance along with a current license is all these drivers need if stopped by DOT.
     
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  10. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    The 150 air miles is for non-cdl cmv's.
    The op's statement of 100 air miles is correct. Also, to qualify for the non-eld timecard exemption, one cannot be on duty for more than 12, so the 14 hour rule doesn't apply.
     
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  11. 25(2)+2

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    Our livehaulers won't be getting them replaced when those ELDs go back, short haul and livestock exempt.
     
  12. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Why keep going back and forth here. Go talk to the DOT and ask them.
     
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