New warrantless search laws

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by otr500, Sep 27, 2009.

  1. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    Well, if they do find something illegal(drugs, weapons, explosives) they will be rewarded LEO's. It's their word agaisnt the accused... Think Nazi Germany Gestapo. The judge and jury will likely say, "Good Cop, gettin' this off our streets".

    If nothing is found, again it's just the person scrutinized and put though that trauma for nothing has no real recourse. Actually, makes me want a dash camera(probably the only effective weapon against these Gestapo tactics).

    These events deeply disturb me, and certainly don't make me feel more secure.

    Example: Top Minnesota State Trooper unilaterally writes an enforecement procedure(law), the fatugue checklist, in which drivers can/could be stopped under penalty of the law.

    This scares the crap out of me! Law enforcement cannot WRITE the laws! Period! This has happened before, Heinrich Himmler leader of the Nazi SS, Reichsfuhrer SS, and Gestapo commisioned laws in which his police enforced.

    Folks, this is serious stuff!
     
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  3. bugsy6

    bugsy6 Light Load Member

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    In that case

    * You have the right to remain silent and to speak to a lawyer BEFORE you talk to the police. Tell the police NOTHING except your name and address. Don't give any explanation, excuses or stories. You can make your defense later, in court, based on what you and your lawyer decide is best.
    * Ask to see a lawyer immediately. If you can't pay for a lawyer, you have the right to a free one, and should ask the police how the lawyer can be contacted. DON'T SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT A LAWYER.
    * Within a reasonable time after your arrest, or booking, you have the right to make a local phone call: to a lawyer, a bail bondsman, a relative or any other person.
    * Sometimes you can be released without bail, or have bail lowered. Have your lawyer ask the judge on the next court date after the arrest.
    * Do NOT make any decisions about your case until you have talked with a lawyer.
     
  4. otr500

    otr500 Light Load Member

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    Thank you Mr. roadkill for your post. I ask for someone to provide proof. What a person thinks or posts as fact does not convince me otherwise.
    1)-I would never accept implied compliance or implied consent for an illigal search. In fact there is no law that I am aware of that is worded as implied compliance.
    There are instances backed up by the courts when this is allowed. If you let someone drive your vehicle, even if you are in it, and an officer wants to search it, the driver can, against you wishes, authorize a search. This would be implied consent.
    If you enter a place with signs that forbid guns, and states you can be searched, you have given implied consent. You do have the option of not entering.
    If you go pass the warning sign(you can be searched) onto federally controlled property you have given implied consent.
    2)- If you are familiar with the law of the land it is called the Supreme Court. It would not matter if there was an "implied compliance" or "implied consent" law in all 50 states, without an exclusion for CMV's in the case "Arizona v. Gant, 07-542" all such laws in all 50 "states" would be null and void.
    We could get into a debate like the ones on guns for a decade but as long as the supreme law of the land takes precedence it will stand over state laws until, or if ever, the Supreme Court should decide to revisit the law and change it.
    This is fact, and this is the law.
    There are instances when reasonable suspicion, and an ensuing search, will stand up in court.
    Those interested can search; "Arizona v. Gant, 07-542" for the rest of the story.



     
  5. otr500

    otr500 Light Load Member

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    It is ok that anyone do whatever they want in life as long as it doesn't involve me, my family, or the public.
    I realize that there are some that have no clue that our "rights" were not granted from the beginning and were hard earned.
    There is a country that had many millions that would kneel down and take a bullet to the back of the head or take off their clothes and walk into a chamber. They will not do this again.
    "If" a person wishes to allow others to invade his privacy just because someone thinks they can do this that is alright with me. It does not mean that I have to or that I can be compelled with threats into agreeing.
    Life is pretty simply to me. You live, pay taxes, maybe raise a family, work hard, and die. Within this frame of life are a set of rules on how life in society works. I didn't make the rules but someone else did. I am simply told I must abide by them or there will be consequences. To make the rules fair, and to protect the average citizen is a court. They explain the rules so there no one is confused. This set of rules extend to all parties. We all have a set of rules to abide by to make life more fair and for good reason. There are many that will take every advantage they can.
    If I am asked to be allowed to search my vehicle and refuse, it is the "right" of the officer to arrest me(detaining in a vehicle is most certainly an arrest by the courts) and perform a search or if he thinks he has probable cause, get a search warrant. I do not mind and will call dispatch. If he does not get a warrant there will be many grounds for a lawsuit.
    I just still believe we are American citizen and have, and enjoy rights in this free country.



     
  6. otr500

    otr500 Light Load Member

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    And there are many of us that read history, know what those in power will do if allowed, and intend to stay yhe course.




     
  7. Scuby

    Scuby Heavy Load Member

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    OTR500 having the authority to do something and actually doing it are two different things. As far as having probable cause it really doesn't take much. All the police need is a few witnesses stating they saw someone steal a few things and just gave a general description of a person and the vechile they were in. If you or your truck fits that general descirption then they have pc. Also if you refuse they can and will detain you till a warrant is issued. I had something like that happen to me while riding a bicycle and asked the officer what would have happen if I refused. He informed me I wouldv'e been detained and searched.
     
  8. brandond

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    I have always been told the cab, is the ONLY thing they can search without your permission or a warrant. That they cant just go ranting through the sleeper. But if you allow them to cross that boundary, they will do as they wish because you did not tell them no. Even if they just say wow i like your sleeper, can I check it out and you say yes, you gave permission. I wouldnt be such a king kong about saying no to them wanting to search though. I am sure being that way to the officer would result in your being arrested.
     
  9. chief

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    if they detain you without probable cause, they are breaking the law. they can NOT detain you simply for refusing to consent to a search. if they HAVE probable cause, they don't HAVE to ask. if they have to ask, they DON'T have probable cause. what they are counting on is intimidating you into consenting. consent = legal search.
     
  10. bugsy6

    bugsy6 Light Load Member

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    Check out this thread Ask A Trooper Anything The 5th post down ask

    "If a cop asks me, "do you mind if I take a look inside your truck?" and I say, "Yes, I mind. I'd rather you didn't". What do you do? What's the law?"
     
  11. Roadmedic

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    I would suggest reading post 10.
     
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