If they raise the liability minimum to $2 million or more...

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by TallJoe, Jan 30, 2021.

  1. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    I am afraid that this is firmly put on the current administration's agenda, and they will make an attempt at the very first opportunity. So I hear, anyways.

    The dynamics of the change are unpredictable.

    You can hope for the increase in premiums to be insignificant enough and possible to be absorbed by the most of independents and small carriers based on the presumption that it would be more or less evenly distributed among everybody. However, there is no certainty that dynamics could go into that direction. For instance, the insurance carrier market may shrink as some of them (e.g. Progressive, Great West, NorthLand, Wesco) may decide to withdraw from providing services in this segment, considering it too risky.

    Perhaps, you may also presume that since it effects everybody then the freight rates will have to fairly adjust to offset the higher insurance costs. Let's not forget, though, that bigger carriers with more assets and collateral may naturally receive more preferential premiums and thus have significantly lower insurance costs per each truck.

    Some of you may already carry $2 mil or more insurance limit but it does not necessarily mean that it will stay at the same or even similar level when the increase will be mandatory for everybody - bear in mind that if this becomes a law in effect (hope it never passes) every insurance client is a potential for a 2 mil dol claim. This stuff worries me and thwarts my ideas for future, when I start thinking about. New entrants are already confronted with ridiculous insurance quotes, I can't imagine what it is going to be like if they ever pass that law...
    I worked most of my 20 years of trucking career to become independent. Now I have to dread the day when the only option available will be leasing onto...SWIFT or the likes. I am afraid that when confronted with that choice, I'd rather shoot myself in the head (...you know....methaphorically lol).
    Please give me some consolation and find as many flaws in the above reasoning and predictions as you can. Maybe it will put me into better mood. What do you think? Are you concerned too?
     
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  3. SteveScott

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    You would think that rates would rise if costs jumped dramatically Joe, but sadly that isn't the case. Many of the large carriers self insure, so they could care less how high or low insurance rates are. O/O's run on some of the thinnest profit margins of any industry, and that's mostly because our costs have continued to rise over the last 40 years, but shipping rates are the same and even lower than 40 years ago. Some of the old timers on TTR will confirm that being an O/O was once a fairly lucrative business. Then came deregulation in the 80's, and that was the end of it being a great money maker for the little guy.
     
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  4. Cat sdp

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    2 million liability is nothing...... don’t worry .
    So your liability costs a couple of grand more whatever.....and if you get in a major wreck your screwed anyways. I don’t see how it’s going to lead to bigger settlements......
     
  5. Cat sdp

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    I was just starting out back then. and loads we’re paying more back before deregulation. then they do now in the northeast......
     
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  6. bryan21384

    bryan21384 Road Train Member

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    To the sue-happy for wheeler operators, it could. Isn't that the logic behind increasing to 2 mil coverage?
     
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  7. SteveScott

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    Lawyers for the 4 wheelers care very little about how much liability coverage you have in reality. If you have a 2 million dollar policy, they'll sue you for 10 million. Anything the jury awards the plaintiff over your insurance limit, you are responsible for paying, regardless if you have the means to pay it or not. Once you've sold everything you own to pay toward the settlement, they'll garnish your wages for the rest of your life, just because they can.

    Courts don't decide who is right or wrong, they decide who has the best attorney.
     
  8. Rideandrepair

    Rideandrepair Road Train Member

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    Rates SHOULD rise. But if capacity stays high, while freight tonnage falls. It’s a race to the bottom. It happened for 6 yrs. hitting bottom in 2010 or so. High fuel prices and falling rates, till enough went out of Business. It’s happening again. This time high Insurance and high Equipment prices will cause the downfall of most new Authorities. Just my opinion. I don’t wish hardship on anyone trying to succeed. I have enough challenges of my own.
     
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  9. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    No lawyer suggests starting your demands anywhere under double what the minimum liability the carrier is insured for, been my experience anyway.
     
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    The higher settlements come from the simple claims that get settled before court. Right now most of these settle for about 20-30% of the policy limit so it stands to reason that the simple settlements will still stay at the same percentage yet the actual dollar amounts will be double.

    Most claims adjusters can authorize a settlement up to a set percentage which I don't expect to change since the insurance companies use policy limits to decide how much effort they put into fighting claims. For many insurers it is easier to pay out a percentage of policy limit regardless of who is right or wrong or at fault.
     
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  11. TallJoe

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    I am afraid that with the new increased minimum, a new standard for claim settlements will begin. The ambulance chasers will simply aim at more and all the existing claim tactics will be revised.

    Frankly, I only care of how that will translate into how much more I'll have to pay at the time of a renewal.
     
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