Legal miles in 14 hours?

LMAO..ur either full of #### or made a mistake somewhere

 

You MUST mean 54, right ??

 

Yeap I have done it many times. Heck if the stop is not real busy, you will beable to hit the head and drop a load and still be under 20 mins.

 

Funny, I was just thinking about 1984 the other day after seeing about a billion freaking cameras mounted on poles throughout the day. And then to top it all off, they now have a camera that snaps your pic as you go by in the weigh station on I-95 just south of St. Augustine, FL. I wonder what the purpose of that is?

I, for one, am sick and tired of constantly being under the watchful eye of Big Brother. 1984 is here folks.

If you've never read 1984, it'll make the hair on your neck stand on end. FYI, you can read the entire works of George Orwell, including 1984, online at http://www.george-orwell.org/

 

They have been snapping pics at weight stations for some time now. It is for data entry they log what time your truck rolled thru the scales. They do it in Oregon and Washington i know for sure as i got a inspection in WA and saw them scrolling thru the pics of my truck as a rolled thru all but one of the Oregon scales because it was closed.

 

Oh god the numbers game again ! ,like others said as long as you do the speed for the state your in and run it the right way , if you have 11 hrs do what you do in the 11 hrs and log it ( I would not kill an hour Craploaing). if ,and if ,I mean if your a newbie dont do what I did when I first started out years ago, thinking when you cross over the time zones you lose or get that time back, you have to run from your terminals time. Im on the east coast so even if it was 6 am on the west coast when I woke up it was still 9am. but anyways like the rest of the guys said log it as you run it just watch your time and speed in whatever state your in as if they look at the log and it dont match Ticket, they deem you were speeding ticket, so on an so fortth

 

You have 11 hours to legally operate a vehicle - assuming you have that many hours left on your 70 (or 60) hour limit per week. So yeah, if you run in a state that has a 75 mph speed limit, that's 11 x 75 = 825 miles... if you spend 11 hours on a 75mph road.

That's not what the law says however. 392.2 says you will obey the laws of all the governmental units you operate in, and they take precidence unless the FMCSRs are more strict. 392.6 says you can't operate in excess of the legal speed limit, and your company can't force you to do otherwise. See below...

So you can log up to 825 miles, but if a LEO plugs your trip into whatever program they care to use (Kansas DOT compared my logs to PC Miler) and it says you couldn't have done more than say 538 miles legally at the speed limit, you just earned yourself a speeding ticket based on your legally submitted logs. When you fill in that grid, you are basically doing the same thing that you would in a court of law... swearing that this is what you did. So, if you log a trip at 75mph through say IL with a 55mph speed limit, you just swore to the fact that you were speeding.

So now, your illegal log got you a speeding ticket. If you whine about it and LEO isn't amused, you just earned an out-of-service violation based on submitting a false log. That is a violation of federal law that can earn you a vacation in a federally operated vacation resort. The guy who crashed up in WI awhile back who had a school bus crash into his overturned rig and killed a bunch of people got away with the crash. They convicted him of 10-or-so falsely submitted logs at about 5 federal years apiece, served consecutively. He should have pled to involuntary vehicular manslaughter - would have been out in a year or so. Say hello to Bernie M for us!

So, practically speaking, you look at your timepiece of choice, mark when you leave, and when you arrive. And if you happen to be in the wonderful world of 75-mph, you can log up to a maximum of 825 miles... assuming you start and stop from two points that are 825 miles apart that are legal for a CMV to park in.

That's what we all do... right!

No??? Well then say hello to Big Brother ala EOBR. I guess the moral is we're our own worst enemies.

§392.2 Applicable operating rules.
Every commercial motor vehicle must be operated in accordance with the laws, ordinances, and regulations of the jurisdiction in which it is being operated. However, if a regulation of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration imposes a higher standard of care than that law, ordinance or regulation, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration regulation must be complied with.

§392.6 Schedules to conform with speed limits.
No motor carrier shall schedule a run nor permit nor require the operation of any commercial motor vehicle between points in such period of time as would necessitate the commercial vehicle being operated at speeds greater than those prescribed by the jurisdictions in or through which the commercial motor vehicle is being operated...

 

In that 75 MPH truck, on a straight flat highway, I'd log no more than 750 in 11 hours. Most likely closer to 700 in all honesty..........

 

Why do so many people keep saying, "log it as you do it?" Of course you log it as you do it and that is not the point. The question was concerning a "log it as you do it situation." It is a matter of rounding.

I understand flagging, but fail to see how that helps me. If I stop for 5 minutes and flag it, I just lost five minutes of driving time if I stay on line 3. If I sit for 3 more minutes and then drive, I actually gain 7 minutes in the rounding.

I have no problem keeping my breaks short and keeping the wheels turning, but the question is not how to cheat your logs at the end of the day, but can you legally "log it as you do it" and have rounding that works to your advantage.

I would imagine that most LEOs are not interested in splitting hairs, especially if there are flagrant violations that can be more easily cited.

Disclaimer: I'm a rookie and I am just making a simple observation.

 

Well, we've wasted 9 pages and I dont't know how many days on this topic . The real problem is NOT THE RULES!
It's this pay per mile thought process that has all of you trying to figure out ways to circumvent the rules without getting caught! You spend all this time and energy to try and work HARDER, FASTER, OR LONGER. Maybe if we spent more time trying to work SMARTER,we would be more successful in this crappy business!
We must get rid of the outdated, unsafe and (IMNSHO), ILLEGAL pratice of pay per mile!
Soon every commerical truck will have the ability to tell the company, the DOT, and anyone who wants to know how many hours that the driver ACTUALLY WORKED on any given day, there will NO EXCUSE for us to be paid by the mile any longer! We must demand hourly pay for ALL HOURS WORKED, not just miles driven. Then, and only then, will drivers be compensated fairly, stop driving when fatigued, and the safety stats will improve in meaningful numbers!
So to all you outlaws, keep wasting your time trying to cheat the system, eventually you will get caught. Hopefully you dont have to hurt yourself or someone else before you learn your lesson, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! You can pay them now or you can pay them later! The sooner you figure out the fact that the "good, old days" are over, you wont make nearly the money that you used to, the sooner you can either find a new profession or fight for a fair hourly wage!