Sigma pump

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  1. joed9106

    joed9106 Bobtail Member

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    Hi all. Looking for a source on information on Sigma injection pumps. Building a pulling truck (dodge cummins) and the only supplier I have found is Columbus diesel supply. At $10K I hink they are asking way to much. I heard these pumps were made in france and used in the 60's or 70's on some european otr trucks. I believe they came in 6 and 8 cyl configurations. If anyone has a source for more info or where I can order from or model numbers I would appreciate it.
    Thanks.
    Joe D.
     
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  3. smokin809

    smokin809 Light Load Member

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    Youtube( redattraction pulling team) I think they have one bigger than the sigma, email them, they will get back to you.
     
  4. Les2

    Les2 Road Train Member

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    Check out cyclone machine, they make pumps, just don't know if it will be big enough for what your wanting.

    But I did see one on a 3406B pulling truck. The guy estimated 2500-3000 hp.
     
  5. 69W900A

    69W900A Bobtail Member

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    10k is pretty reasonable for a real Sigma pump, that is about the going rate for a "stock" Sigma. A custom built one with new parts is 15k and up.

    Columbus has one of the better pumps, and if a stock Sigma isn't enough you can get one of their CNC'd pumps that is based off a Sigma but with new, larger parts. Orignal cores are getting harder to find.

    Schied Diesel would be another place to call and talk with, Haisley Machine and maybe PDR.
     
  6. Elvenhome21

    Elvenhome21 Heavy Load Member

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    so what makes these pumps so insanely expensive. On the other hand, is it possible to use a stock style pump from a bigger engine say like a locomotive or something and try to retro fit it on the smaller engine.
     
  7. 69W900A

    69W900A Bobtail Member

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    Sigma has been out of business for 40+ years and there were not many of these pumps in North America to start with = hard to find now. Supply and demand.

    There are a lot of pumps that could be made to work, but it's not just size. That is, it's not just the AMOUNT of fuel that the pump can inject - it's the RATE of injection that is important for big HP and high RPM.

    Loco engines run at low speed and as such their injection pumps are typically really slow because they only need to put fuel in an engine turning maybe 1500rpm - not 2,3,4,000+ RPM.
     
  8. 24valve puller

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    scheids, CDS, Haisley, st. joe or try www.pulloff they have some used ones on there some time. If you are worried about cost, then maybe you should check on the cost for the engine that needs the pump before you get too far
     
  9. Jfaulk99

    Jfaulk99 Road Train Member

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    I think CDS and Hypermax are the only 2 places you can get a Sigma in the US. Not all Sigma pumps cores are the good ones, it all depends on the cam that's in them. Had a friend who was in Africa for the Air Force and was talking to CDS, looking around for cores and they told him what to look for. After about 4 years he got transferred and never found any (Africa was the last place they found any). Scheid does not do Sigmas they try and push their 12cyl pump for that class. As 69W900A said it's not the amount of fuel the Sigma injects it's how fast it injects it that makes them so mean. You've gotta pay to play, ask Haisley when they borrowed a Sigma about 2 years ago they were amazed and never looked at the 12cyl pump again. Your going to have a lot of money in an engine before you ever need to look at a Sigma.
     
  10. V8Lenny

    V8Lenny Road Train Member

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    These days you can get 16 mm elements to P-pump and cam can always be custom made for fast injection and high lift, you get very close to sigma.
     
  11. joed9106

    joed9106 Bobtail Member

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    Not worried about the cost, just feel its over priced by CDS which isobvious because they have the market cornered. I am in the middle east right now on business and will be in Europe next week. Was hoping someone could get me some model numbers or tell me what to look for so I can check out the scrap yards and pump shops since I am out here anyway.

    Found a shop in Germany that has 4 sigmas in stock and they gave me the model numbers but need to make sure they are the right ones.

    For what its worth, here is a little info on Sigma. Sigma Diesel was a company located in Vénissieux France and was bought out by Bosch in 1974. They specialized in injection designs for diesels and had many patents (which I have PFD's on). They were particularlily noted for their radial piston design distributor pump and when Bosch began work on the VP-44 (used on 1998.5-2002 Dodge Ram Cummins) it was able to use the technical knowledge (specifically a radial design) it had acquired with the purchase of Sigma Diesel almost twenty
    years earlier by integrating a central electronic control unit into this design. I also have a lot more info in Sigma since I have been researching them for a while but no need to bore anyone.​
     
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