New to medium & heavy duty trucks - need information and advice on Allison transmission in a dump tr

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  1. JLamb

    JLamb Bobtail Member

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    Hello all, newcomer to the site here. I'm new to the world of medium & heavy duty trucks. I'm not a trucker, but I'm sort of indirectly connected. I work for a governmental agency in my state and I'm newly in charge of preparing specifications for our fleet of vehicles & equipment that will be purchased. I took over from someone who retired and kept most of his decisions about specifications to himself and didn't pass along to anyone else. I'm currently working on a specification for a dump truck. The majority of our dump trucks are 6 YD (33k) & 12 YD (52k) trucks. Most of those trucks are either Freightliner M2-106, M2-112, International MV or HV. Most engines are Cummins B6.7's & L9's with some Detroit DD8's mixed in. For several years now we've been spec'ing Allison 3500 RDS transmissions. Looking at some of our other specifications for stake body trucks, bucket trucks, van body trucks, and some other specialty trucks, they've been spec'd with either Allison 2500 RDS, 3000 RDS, or 3500 RDS. I would like to have a better understanding of why and when to choose one of those transmissions over the other. Looking at information from Allison, the 3000 is rated for more HP & Torque and is considered a close ratio transmission with taller 1st, 2nd, & 3rd gears than the 3500. The 3500 is considered a wide ratio transmission. Not being a driver myself, how does the performance of those 2 transmissions differ. Which is suited better for a dump truck? In what applications might the 2500 or 3000 be a better choice? I'm trying to gather some unbiased (hopefully) information on this instead of blindly relying on what I get from vendors who are in the business to sell trucks. I'm sure some of them are really good and unbiased, but until I get to know them better I like to get outside information. I appreciate any information and advise you can give me on this.

    Thanks,

    JLamb
     
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  3. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    If you have any trucks that have done a good long time job look at them. Tire size, axle ratio, engine, transmission etc. Try to duplicate that. If I were in your spot I would try to contact Allison directly.
    What do they recommend but you have to fill in all the blanks.
    I would stay away from all the new just came out on the market stuff. Let someone else experiment.
     
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  4. mud23609

    mud23609 Medium Load Member

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    Your best information is going to come from the drivers that run those trucks every day. Pick a few of the more reliable ones and buy em lunch. Find out where the strengths and weaknesses' of your current equipment is from their prospective. Then do the same with a few of your mechanics. Do this with the folks who get dirty and you will have a much better idea of how the equipment functions in the field. You need to understand that before you start to make changes.
     
  5. ClineER

    ClineER Light Load Member

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    I do mechanic work and seen quit a few allisons.
    The 2500 is a lighter duty compared to 3000 or 3500. They are good for road use but seem to wear prematurely with heavy off road use.
    The 3000 close ratio is good for highway trucks, with good take off.
    The 3500 wide ratio with deeper first helps with being off road or slow dumping operations.
    I wouldn't consider a 2500 in dump, not heavy enough, and would stick to the 3500 on your 6.7 and maybe step up to 4500 series with 9 liter, not sure the 3500 can take the higher power power of 9 without big derate. Dealer should be able to help on horsepower settings and selection.
    The allison does have 2 overdrives so I recommend buying setup that way, meaning get a lower rear ratio and where the second od is useful. Seen too many spec with just 1st overdrive and too high rear end for off road slow operation.
     
  6. Itsbrokeagain

    Itsbrokeagain Light Load Member

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    I think our company specs the 3500 RDS in our 6yd M2 dumps. It might be the 3000 however, I'd have to check the spec sheet the next time I get In one.

    We use the 3000 in the rest of.our rigs, our smaller bucket trucks to our full size utility buckets (which is what I drive), our 2013s have the ISB engine, later ones have the ISC, and a handful of others have the more powerful ISL.

    Come to think of it, they specced our Vactors with the 3000. And the 325hp ISB. Talk about a pig. Loaded up over 50k (max is 63k on that chassis) and it was slow...REALLY slow, like pedal to the floor trying to maintain 30mph up a grade. Not fun.

    Rear gears are anywhere from 5.68 to 6.34. max out around 70mph.
     
  7. JLamb

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    Thanks for the information everyone. I appreciate it!
     
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