Hello Old Guy,
I came across an article on the OOIDA's Website, or maybe it was another website (googled and searched CR England Class Action Lawsuit, came up with half a dozen different pages, most current is on OOIDA's website). The jist of the article was that CR England, had been involved in unfair and potentially illegal practices involving the management of Lease Agreements with individual drivers.
The way this thread originally read to me, came across as a pyramid, in which a company offers a service, sets outrageous or inflated costs to offset the companies obligation of purchase, above the retail cost of the service, while placing undue burden on the purchaser or in that case, the leaser (purchasing a truck at factory or wholesale price from the manufacturer, and then offering the truck for ReSale at the Retail or Wholesale price, is legal, what is not legal is to double or quadruple the payment costs, or add hidden costs, or unnecessary fees, that would not be a part of any arrangement or agreement contract with the manufacturer or subcontractor (leasor or owner operator) contract)). (makes sense from a business stand point of manufacturer, to wholesaler, to retailer point of view)umm, buy at below cost, for resale at cost....))
So did the article pertaining to the suit brought against CR England by the OOIDA. Such business practices were outlawed in the early 1980's and late 1970's by the federal government. Such practices are called "robbing peter to pay paul" (my words, not the actual litigation statute words) are like obtaining a new credit card with a higher amount to pay off another credit card, without making any payments on the "now current" balance of the "new credit card", and applying yet for a third, ect. Sorry I don't have the necessary words to express this, am trying. Please bare with me. Umm, I'd say look to Enron as example, but that wouldn't help.
Anyway, this probably confounded the original confusion, and for that I do apologize. If you want, just completely disreguard this rather pathetic attempt to explain an explanation, in which I do not have the necessary vocabulary to express in terms relating to trucking, the explaination, which I had posted my original statement on.
Good luck with the coffee guys, I need more than caffeine to get the cobwebs out ^.^
Little Princess out.
My 16 Week Experience with TRANSAM
Discussion in 'Report A BAD Trucking Company Here' started by Old Guy 56, Feb 19, 2009.
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ps. Let me try it this way.
Say company B bought a unit of product from company A. Company B then placed that unit up for lease. It is legal for company B to lease to Individual C at the retail cost. All payment arrangements tho, must be based on Company A's retail payment costs. This would not be a Pyramid.
Umm, what is not legal would be for Company B to double or triple the total monthly or weekly amounts based on retail price. Company B could not lease to Individual C a unit whose retail price with Company A, is $100,000 total, with a total monthly payment of $1500 per month at a total weekly rate of $450, to Individual C at a monthly price of $3,000-$6,000 with a weekly payment of $1500-$3,000. This would be a pyramid.
It is a Pyramid, when Company B uses Individual C to pay not only for that unit, but any new units of equal or lessor value that Company B might purchase in the future from Company A.
It is illegal for Company B to lease to Individual C a product or service for the sole purpose of having the burden of cost for Company B paid for by Individual C, on top of C's contracted expense, through the deliberate means of denying Individual C the means to pay under contract. IE. B could not deny C the contracted mileage necessary to cover C's contract expenses. Nor could B use multiple C's to cover B's contracted costs of item or future items purchased new or used from A, when B can use the item purchased itself to cover contracted costs to A.
The only exemption to that Law, is when the United States Defense Department purchases a product such as a Vehicle, from a private manufacturer, in which the Government itself is the creator and sole mass purchasor of the vehicle, or service. Then it is legal for the Government to enter into contract with Company A, for the manufacture of said product, at a 4 time lower manufacturing retail cost, than what Company A can contract to sell to the general public at retail.Last edited: Jun 21, 2009
briarhopper Thanks this. -
There is a line at their front door, newbies wanting in, see the country and make big bucks !!!!! AND LEASE YOUR VERY OWN BIG RIG !!!
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If you are already homeless, the trucking industry might be a pretty good deal. You get a place to live and the scenery changes with every load. If you do not want to live like a Gypsy and wallow in bulls***; that's another situation that trucking will not be as helpful in resolving.
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Read the lease agreement...it's NOT a lease but a RENTAL! Check with OOIDA and then you can laugh!
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To be a lease driver; you need to be in really good shape. Yoga and pilates are two of the exercise disciplines that will help you to be able to bend over real far and grab your ankles, stick your rear end out and get ready for what is about to happen to you. Maybe if you can hold this position long enough, you will become successful; maybe not.
Bogey Thanks this. -
Wow this thread still kicking lol
Been hauling cars and havent had time to read.
THe lease is like anything else some will make it some wont depends on the driver.
My buddy who is still there is still banking he making the same I was when I was there.
Be strict with them far as the loads you take dont take #### you know that will put you into a bad area.
And if its a 1000 mile load that dev's next week turn it down they will say thats all they got and you might have to sit aday but they will offer you something else. -
Hey thumper im looking into transam and I see alot of bad things about leas and some good things.. Any chance I would be able to talk to you or your friend about trans am and how good you did..Would appreciate any info please
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SO let's see...BUNCHES of posts telling you to stay away from these FLEECE deals and STILL they manage to suck people in ?? God, P.T. Barnum was right....
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The reason people still get sucked into lease deals can be summed up in one word - Desperation. When you are broke and cannot find a job, you will listen to the siren calls of the training academies and the trucking companies. Once you are in the training program at the trucking company, you are stuck. You will be away from home with no way to get back and all you hear is you need to be out driving and you will make money. The company will tell you that if you lease, you can get a truck tomorrow; if you want to be a company driver it will be 2-3 weeks or maybe a month before you can get a truck. In the meantime, you have to hang around the terminal all day and go to a motel at night (hauling your stuff back and forth every day) with little to do and only training pay coming in which is not all that good and is not enough to pay a house payment, or to support a family. After a few days, you are desperate to start making some money. What you are not told is that the training pay is more than you will average driving a lease truck.
Truck driving is like no other profession in the country. Every other job has protections provided by labor laws and government agencies, both state and local, that are designed and tasked to protect and represent the worker in disputes with their employer. Truck drivers are victims of the government and the trucking companies who act in collusion to make it impossible for drivers to effect any actual improvements in their incomes or working conditions. We have non-sensible work rules that we are told are for our protection, but actually leave you sleep deprived and dangerous as well as broke. The only good thing that can be said about them is that they prevent the trucking companies from screwing you any worse than they already do.
Desperation is the reason many people get into truck driving in the first place and the reason they get screwed so badly. When all the power is concentrated on one side of a business deal, the other side will get screwed. Sooner or later, no matter how many years you have been driving, you will get screwed by the company you are driving for.
If you are a homeless former felon, you are golden. You have a place to live and a little money in your pocket if the lifestyle suites you. If you have a house and family and need a regular income over $300.00 a week, chances are it will not happen if you are just starting out. It takes awhile to learn how to prosper in this business and OTR is not the best place to make money for the beginner, but it is usually the only job available.
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