Question to the forum, and LEO's

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by striker, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. striker

    striker Road Train Member

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    Christmas eve, we were at the in-laws for the family thing. My wife's brother is a cop, his son and daughter are also cops. I have noticed that the son always has a smug attitude, but this night he really turned it up. Now, he is a local cop, he's been on the job 2.5 yrs so he's still learning the ropes, although apparently he thinks he know it all. He's 27 so he's only been driving in general for 10yrs with very little highway exp.. Going to college, he went to school in Grand Junction (he grew up in Brighton), Colo. for two years so he would make the 220 mile drive back and forth a couple of times per year. He has told me this gives him the exp. to know better than me. He then dropped out and went to school in Greeley where he only came home more frequently, but he was always in traffic and not really in snowstorms or bad roads.

    Anyhow, we were having a discussion about an accident that occured on the 23rd when a semi hit a CDOT plow http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...eports/98387-i-70-crash-semi-vs-snowplow.html . He made a comment that he doesn't understand how the driver could miss the plow with all those strobe lights. I told him that when a highway dept plow is working, especially the one's with wing blades, and both blades are down clearing the right lane and right shoulder, they kick up so much snow that if the wind is blowing, it is very easy to loose the plow in the snowstorm it creates in it's wake and that sometime you won't see it again until your right next to it. As I pointed out to him, Weds. I was on my way back to Denver from Nebraska, coming down I-76 I encountered a CDOT plow. He had his front blade down and his right wing blade down. There was a 25 to 35 mph cross wind, we were on the stretch between Keenesberg and Hudson. He was kicking up so much snow that when I first saw it, I thought someone had gone off the road and kicked up a cloud, but when I didn't see it dissipating, I realized it was a plow. From the time I first saw the snow cloud he was kicking up until I finally passed him (probably 20 minutes) I only saw his strobe lights 3 times and never actually saw the body of the plow truck until I was beside it. He was doing about 40 mph I passed him at about 45 to 50.

    He told me that he drives around plows all day long (on surface streets) and never looses sight of them, and that I don't know what I'm talking about. When I asked him how many times per week he drives I-70, I-76, I-80, I-25 in rural areas where there is nothing to block the wind from whipping the snow up he said he doesn't. I then suggested that when he has driven those roads a couple of times per week for a couple of years in the winter to then come back and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

    In the past he has tried to tell me the law about semi's, when I asked him how he did on his Motor Carrier certification exam, he said his dept. doesn't require it. I handed him a log book that was 2 months old, that I knew had 8 violations in the last 10 days of the month, and told him to find the violations, he came back and pointed out things that were not violations and completely missed the ones that were violations (obvious HOS 70hr rule violations). When I showed them to him, he got pissed about it.

    So I'm curious, from all including the LEO's, who is more off base on this. Is this something that everyone has encountered and my nephew just needs a little more exp. in life. When we got into this discussion, he took on this smug, "I'm a cop and I know it all" attitude and tried to make himself out to be the expert on everything.
     
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  3. Big Don

    Big Don "Old Fart"

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    Striker there is no point in arguing with this guy. After he gets a few more years experience, possibly gets his arse kicked a few times, a few department reprimands, has been thoroughly made a fool of in court by a defense attorney, and just "grows up" in general, he might actually turn out to be OK.

    Sounds like he is still at the "twenty five pound badge" stage in his career. We all went through it to some degree or another. But usually it sets in right after graduation from the academy. By the time your done with your field training, you SHOULD BE set straight. It just takes some guys a little longer.

    Now, to put the shoe on the other foot. I can't tell you the number of times I was put in a position of being around "family friends" who hated all law enforcement, and took "socializing" to mean "lets bash the cop."

    My feelings about it all when this would happen: Hey, for the love of GOD GROW UP!

    There is really no point in trying to argue with an idiot. It just brings you down to their level. Believe me, if he is being an arrogant arse, you will not be the only one there who realizes it.
     
  4. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    My nephew is the same....2 years as an OCSD deputy...and now he's an expert on the law.......

    Just take another sip of brew..because someday his ### is gonna get handed back to him by a vet LEO or a judge.....

    Know-it-alls and azzhats eventually get what they deserve......
     
  5. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Whenever I've looked at someone else's logbook, I can't make any sense of it. Even my own from 2 years ago, I get confused. I've had the log dept. say I have a violation from 30 days ago, and then go over it and can't find any violation. I call them on it and they agree and apologize.
     
  6. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    A lot of safety departments run logs through a computer . The computer makes quite a few errors .
     
  7. LBZ

    LBZ Road Train Member

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    So I'm curious, from all including the LEO's, who is more off base on this. Is this something that everyone has encountered and my nephew just needs a little more exp. in life. When we got into this discussion, he took on this smug, "I'm a cop and I know it all" attitude and tried to make himself out to be the expert on everything.[/QUOTE]

    He is probably writing every truck within grasp a ticket for something this week to prove to you he knows what is going on. ;)

    Hopefully he learns both the law & how to apply common sense to what is happening around him as he matures in his position... But don't ever expect to hear "you were right about ..."
     
  8. dieselbear

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    Eventually he will learn one way or the other. I haven't been around a long time, just 13 years as a Trooper, but I have seen ones that have the ####y attitude all the time. My folks taught me from the time I was a little boy that kind of attitude will get you no where. I have seen guys that do this, whether intentional or not, but eventually it gets them in trouble, one way or the other. A guy I first started out with just got fired last month. Guy was the ####iest guy I ever met, would screw whomever he needed to make himself look good. Used to kiss the Lt.'s arse and anyone else with collar ornaments (Commanding Officers) to make a higher rank. In the end, his ####iness got the best of him. Made it to Sgt. and fired within 13 years. What a arse clown! Guys that act this way always seem to have it shoved back down their throat eventually, a good piece of humble pie.
     
  9. LavenderTrucker

    LavenderTrucker Medium Load Member

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    You have to be a bigger fool to argue with a fool.

    I would not bother with it, let it go. Let's say you are able to prove to him that you are right, what do you get?
    Do you win a large cash Prize?
    Do you win an all expense paid trip around the world?
    Do you when a new car, new truck, new jet ski or life time supply of bath salts?

    No, you only get the satisfaction of knowing you are right, but don't you already have that. You drove behind a plow, couldn't see it in the flying snow and so you know it is possible. Why do you need him to validate it?

    One day he may be behind a plow and not be able to see it, and he will pull over and call you right away to let you know that he was wrong and you were right.
     
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  10. outerspacehillbilly

    outerspacehillbilly "Instigator of the Legend"

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    Seems like most of the punk kids that they give badges to nowadays are like that. Usually in their 20's still wet behind the ears and a hard on for confrontation. They think that badge makes them tough. Most of them more than likely had their ### handed to them most of their life. Usually they are locals too. Most Troopers with any time under their belt are pretty cool at least most of the ones I ever dealt with they know what it's all about instead of fantasizing about being the next Clint Eastwood like these pups like your brother in law.
     
  11. Rollover the Original

    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    The old saying is:
    "Who looks more the fool? The fool or the fool arguing with a fool?"
     
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