DDEC2 problems...missing and falling over iteself for 15 seconds.

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  1. Jdenney321

    Jdenney321 Bobtail Member

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    With the fuse pulled out I should have no voltage on 1 side of the plug right? But instead there's 9.8v 20211031_130017.jpg
     

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  3. jamespmack

    jamespmack Road Train Member

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    DDec needs 11.1 volts minimum to allow engine to fire. You need to find source of voltage drop.
     
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  4. Inderjit

    Inderjit Heavy Load Member

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    Both fuses feed the ECM One is for the front three injectors and the other is
    for the rear three. Both probably supply the electronics in the ECM.
    I would not be concerned that there is power on the output side with the
    fuse removed.
     
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  5. Jdenney321

    Jdenney321 Bobtail Member

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    Ok, I looked the truck over today, checked everything everyone sugested. I'm pretty sure it's the ecm. So that being said does anyone know somewhere to repair/replace a ddec2 ecm?
     
  6. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    If I was working on it I thank I would do more tests first.
    On the subject of testing wiring harnesses voltage can transfer by the magnetic field between wires in a harness. That is measured with a meter when there is no draw.
    Someone years ago " GoodySnap I thank " pointed out using a headlight to test wires under load. Power the light through the harness and wiggle the wires around. That is a good test but on one engine every wire in the harness tested good for me. It was a come and go problem and ended up being the harness. I would want to at least test the ECM power and grounds on that unit.
    I found some tools like a needle with an alligator clip on the other end. Those can be put in the back side of a connector plug to check voltages while actually in operation.
    As for your your diagnostic connector you can fix that yourself. Some early electronic engines had odd plugs. Heavyd gave me enough information that it could be done. We rewired the old N14 IHC to a 9 pin after some research. I would start with that if I were in your spot.
    Cannot tell you where to go for ECM help. However from reading this forum look for an independent. If you go to the manufacture and possibly dealer they will install a low NOX file. You will not be happy.
     
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  7. Jdenney321

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    Thanks for the info. But the plot thickens lol

    By some miracle I was able to locate a shop that had a ddec2 test ecm (they literally cut the tabs off the corner so you can't bolt it to the block)

    Put it on the truck it ran great, had way better throttle response, actually sounded different as it ran.. I don't know if it's tuned differently, or what but the tone of the exhaust was definitely different. It only missed once or twice. But im checking that up to new computer, maybe I had air in the fuel lines from working on it, maybe the computer was adjusting to new perameters from the sensors I don't know. I just know it ran without acting crazy and actually took fuel (which it wouldn't before)

    So I took the test ecm back off, and put mine on just as a "what if" type thing, and wouldn't you know it, truck ran just like it has for over a year now. No crazy misses. No weird electrical things, started in high idle, went down to normal idle even took fuel all the way up to red line.

    I'm letting it set over night to make sure the problem doesn't arise overnight, if not I'll slap it back onto the truck, if it acts up again then I'm still thinking ecm.

    If anyone is looking to have an ecm rebuilt I actually found a place in TX that does them. $650 for rebuild, don't know if they're any good, just throwing It out there that they still working on the old ones.
     
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  8. Inderjit

    Inderjit Heavy Load Member

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    Have a real good look at the connectors that connect to the ECM.
    Corrosion or expanded connectors.
     
  9. Jdenney321

    Jdenney321 Bobtail Member

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    Today, the saga comes to an end. I am man enough to admit my faults. It was a ground issue.

    When I removed the ecm I noticed the rubber grommets on the top 2 bolts were missing. Allowing the ecm to wiggle back and forth letting the ecm contact ground and lose ground constantly. When I used the test ecm I didn't mount it to the truck I just set it up on the axle and frame, which gave it its ground. Because when I put my ecm back on it didn't start again. So I connected a jumper cable to the ecm body then to ground. And voila! Issue solved.

    So 3 added grounds later were good to go, thanks for all the suggestions and info!
     
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  11. Inderjit

    Inderjit Heavy Load Member

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    That is strange as the ECM has grommets on both sides of the mounts
    that insulate it from ground. I have run into a Couple DDEC2 engines that
    had ghost fault codes. Codes that occurred zero times for zero seconds.
    Detroit diesel said it was because the ECM housing was grounded. In both
    cases I found a bolt that got dropped between the engine block and the ECM.
    Did you load test the ECM power supply coming from the batteries?
     
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