I recently came across an Italian company who seem to still be in business and are making common rail Diesel engines with pre-combustion chambers and master/slave connecting rods.
In addition to V12's, they also make W18's (three banks of 6 at a 40° angle). I've never seen anyone else continue to make three-bank engines.
I also would have never thought that anyone these days would still be making indirect injection engines outside of very small displacement ones, let alone indirect injection engines (old technology) with a common rail fuel system (latest & greatest technology). I also didn't think anyone these days would be putting master-and-slave con rods into a V engine.
This got me thinking: What would a modern 15L truck engine with common rail or electronic unit injection be like? What kind of fuel economy would it get if it ran, say, (and this is probably going to be sound very silly at first) 25:1 static compression ratio? I heard that the old PC 3406A's got only like 3 to 3.5 MPG while the 3406B's and DI 3406A's got about 4 MPG. But I'm not sure about the figures on newer engines.
If anyone here is still familiar with old IDI engines, that would be great.
I'm aware of the PCTA 3406A's, and it also appears that Cat did make PC 3408's and 3412's as well. But did Cummins or Detroit make any pre-chamber engines in the past?
Modern pre combustion chamber engines
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Lower compression ratio with the prechambers. Looks like 14:1 in the specs. Typically that means less NOx due to lower cylinder temperatures (generally speaking).
I was always under the impression that prechamber engines were usually harder on fuel as well.Hammer166, feldsforever and petefan4000 Thank this. -
If I understand correctly. The combustion chamber is where the dieseal is heated and explodes making the the engine work?
If thats correct, what is a pre combustion chamber.? -
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Oh ok. Was that system efficient. I see where the original post stated the low mpg. But I thought those 3406 engines where all low fuel trucks because there where made for Strentgh. Such as heavy flat bed work.
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For example, the C13, C15, C18, C27, and C32 all run 16:1 CR in stock form today, but they are DI. PC versions of those engines could run as high as 25:1 CR, assuming the same fuel system.
Theoretically, you could convert these engines to PC if you really wanted to, but that would require:
- Glow plugs
- Different cylinder heads with different injector bores
- Shorter injectors to accommodate the pre-chambers
- Different gear trains
- Different valvetrain arrangements
- High compression pistons (as running stock pistons would lower the compression)
- Different fuel mappings depending on the application
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Many of the 3406A engines were converted over to direct injection.
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I had a 3408 pc that got around 4.5 mpg. Had a 3406 dita that got around 5. Bought a new pete in 91 with a 3406 b ataac that got 5.5. Every change they made seemed to improve the effeciency some. All those fuel mileage figures were made the old fashioned way and included the idle time. Seldom shut it off until i got home. Those pc engines would not start without glowplugs unless you just killed it.
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