Question:
If you knew that a broker had $5000 on a load, would you not be more inclined to argue for ... $4500 than $2500 - which is what the average is?
Transparency would have a catalytic effect on the supply and demand. To a large degree, it would also eliminate the parasitic element of which the brokers are so often accused.
Under $2/mile loads with $6/gal diesel.
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by kay_ray, Oct 11, 2022.
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Times like this it wouldn’t matter. If the broker was smart he’d let guys undercut each other and wait until the last minute to book the load and the rate would be quite a bit lower no matter if people are aware of the other business transaction or not.
How about when the market flips? Transparency would keep the spot rates lower because you’d see the contract rate.
If you were a broker would you want to disclose that info? Would you want your competition to be able to see your contract rates that easily? That would drive rates down too as everyone goes lower and lower to get the contract.nredfor88, Another Canadian driver, bryan21384 and 5 others Thank this. -
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If I wanted it worse than you. Then I’d tell them a lower price and this would happen all the way down to where it is now
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Spot market loads shrank by 9.8% August to September.
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I have this theory that knowing the potential brings the bidder closer to the upper limit.
Therefore, demand and supply would still dictate rates but the role of the middle man would be reduced to bare minimum.
Whatever shippers would have to pay would be more effectively passed onto the carriers, also when the market flips, regardless of truck to load ratio. -
When times were good and I'd speak to brokers...
"Can't you help me out, $3 bucks a mile on this"
I'd say why would I do that when there's loads on the board posted for $4-$5 a mile?
Now the conversation goes like this...
"We are not even close, I move these everyday for $2 a mile.
I'm like you move heavy tarp loads for $2 a mile, wow. Ok have a nice day.Dino soar, PSM379, Another Canadian driver and 1 other person Thank this. -
We don't want carriers to leave money on the table when they don't have to, do we?
Knowing what the potential is should awake from a negotiating carrier more predatory instincts and aim higher.
How many times was it discussed here that owner operators did not know what they were doing by taking freight cheaper than what they could? Or that someone was appalled by finding out that a broker had so much on that load but offered only that little?
I am confident that transparency would bring a whole new light on how the rates are negotiated which in itself would be not a bad thing.
I can't see a negative aspect of transparency.
Even when the market flips....
If the broker shows that he has only $2000 on a load that eveyone else pays $3000 then it does not affect me a bit.
I tell him you to go back to his shipper or customer and ask for more...or else I don't haul it for him but will for someone else. -
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You bet, I would benefit from that arrangement and I would not mind having it as a law.
I am for maximizing the flow of money from shippers to carriers and limiting the role of middle men.
I still need a middle man but I want to control him. I am the one doing the hard work.
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