Fuel leaking from air vent

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by OrangeCat, Jul 14, 2023.

  1. OrangeCat

    OrangeCat Bobtail Member

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    I want professional opinions about a mechanical issue. One of the day cabs at my job (a newer Peterbilt, I'd have to look up the model) has an air vent hose on the fuel tank which leaks when the tank is overfilled and the truck has been driven awhile. Not enough to create a pool beneath the vehicle, but I could smell diesel in the cab and there's a large stain on the frame of the truck. I'm under the impression that any amount of fuel leakage is a DOT violation, and that the air vent is not supposed to be capable of leaking even with an overfilled tank. We have a second truck of the same model and I have never seen it leaking. Several of my coworkers do not believe an officer would write a ticket over this, but I can find no indication that it is legally permissible. Does this warrant the attention of a mechanic, and is it sufficient to put the truck out of service? Can it be driven until the tank is no longer overfilled?
     
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  3. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    You're in the right place
     
  4. D.Tibbitt

    D.Tibbitt Road Train Member

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    Does the tank use fuel? Or does it not level between both tanks? I am chasing the same problem and have got it narrowed down to the tank vents are bad.. If u take the vent piece off there is a plastic tube with a check ball in it. I dont know how it works. But i assume it gets stuck somehow and stops airflow and stops pulling fuel from the tank. With the return still flowing it overfills the tank and thats when it leaks.. You could shutoff the return line and siphon out some from that tank as a tempfix
     
  5. OrangeCat

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    The truck only has one tank. My company also does not allow drivers to fix mechanical issues. Several of my supervisors and colleagues don't seem to think it warrants mechanical attention, so I want to know if I (or anyone else) could get into legal trouble for driving it.
     
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  6. D.Tibbitt

    D.Tibbitt Road Train Member

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    Just dont overfill it to where its at the top of the cap and it wont leak.. Sure a dot officer would write you up for it for leaking fuel and he wouldnt be wrong.. Maybe @ZVar can cite a regulation
     
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  7. S M D

    S M D Road Train Member

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    Does it have a cat in it?
     
  8. skallagrime

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    Dont overfill it?

    Realistically with a single tank setup, if its leaking when you say, the air vent or the cap will ALWAYS be where they leak, only 2 options.

    Thermal expansion on an overfilled tank as the truck runs and the return fuel ends up much hotter than initial temperature means it MUST go somewhere, the cap seal and vent line are engineered failure points for this. If they werent, the tank could rupture over time, and you dont want THAT.

    read the warning on the tank. "Must only accept 95% of actual capacity in normal fill conditions"

    That warning label is for exactly your use case

    Addition: literal first google source
    "The coefficient of expansion for diesel fuel is 0.00046 per degree Fahrenheit, or roughly 1% per every 20°F increase in temperature."

    This means if you fill, temp is likely 70 degrees.

    If you run truck for a few hrs in summer heat, fuel temp will spike near 150-180, thats 3-4.5% , so if overfilled 2%, the tank is 100-101.5% full. (Less burnoff, calc 1 gal/hr at idle)

    As such where is the fuel Supposed to go?

    Bottom line. Dont overfill
     
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  9. OrangeCat

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    I wish it were that simple. I share the day cabs with several coworkers, and we also have 3rd party fuel trucks that service our vehicles. I'm not sure who filled the truck last. I'm also not certain that the truck was "overfilled." Could the tank leak like this if it were just filled normally, and would that indicate a mechanical issue?
     
  10. skallagrime

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    It will only leak on operation if there is a problem with the check valve, which there always is, BUT its a cheap fix, 20 minutes and 20$. If you are on good terms with a shop tech, just do it yourself when they hand you a part
     
  11. SmallPackage

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    I put longer hoses on the the vent fittings and put a loop in the hose at the fitting and let the hose go down past the frame to the bottom of the tank. Keeps the fuel from getting out. I always over fill and top off my tanks because it keeps more moisture out when sitting in humid climates when parked for a while.
     
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