Trucking salaries confuse me

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  1. Flat Earth Trucker

    Flat Earth Trucker Road Train Member

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    I worked for Kamway for nine months or so. Was treated well. Excellent equipment. No payroll issues. Debbie at the shop is the only weak link in the company I dealt with. Everyone else seemed solid and did their jobs.

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  3. SoulScream84

    SoulScream84 Road Train Member

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    49 CFR § 390.3T General Applicability Question 24 | FMCSA).

     
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  4. DavidInPuyallup

    DavidInPuyallup Bobtail Member

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    WAC 296-128-012:

    Overtime for truck and bus drivers.
    (1)(a) The compensation system under which a truck or bus driver subject to the provisions of the Federal Motor Carrier Act is paid shall include overtime pay at least reasonably equivalent to that required by RCW 49.46.130 for working in excess of forty hours a week. To meet this requirement, an employer may, with notice to a truck or bus driver subject to the provisions of the Federal Motor Carrier Act, establish a rate of pay that is not on an hourly basis and that includes in the rate of pay compensation for overtime. An employer shall substantiate any deviation from payment on an hourly basis to the satisfaction of the department by using the following formula or an alternative formula that, at a minimum, compensates hours worked in excess of forty hours per week at an overtime rate of pay and distributes the projected overtime pay over the average number of hours projected to be worked. The following formula is recommended for establishing a uniform rate of pay to compensate work that is not paid on an hourly basis and for which compensation for overtime is included:
    1.
    Define work unit first. E.g., miles, loading, unloading, other.
    2.

    Average number of work units
    =

    Average number of work units accomplished per week

    per hour
    Average number of hours projected to be worked per week
    3.
    Weekly Base Rate
    =
    Number of units per hour x 40 hours x base rate of pay
    4.
    Weekly Overtime rate
    =
    Number of units per hour x number of hours over 40 x overtime rate of pay
    5.
    Total weekly pay
    =
    Weekly base rate plus weekly overtime rate
    6.
    Uniform rate of pay
    =
    Total weekly pay
    Total work units
    Example:
    A truck driver is paid on a mileage basis for a two hundred thirty mile trip performed about ten times a week. The base rate of pay is twenty cents a mile. The overtime rate of pay is thirty cents a mile. The average length of the trip is four and one-half hours.

    1.
    2300 mi. divided by
    per week
    45 hours per week
    =
    51.1 miles
    per hour
    2.
    (a)
    51.1 miles/hour times 40 hours times .20/ mile = $408.80

    (b)
    51.1 miles/hour times 5 hours = 255.5 miles

    (c)
    255.5 miles times .30/mile = $76.65

    (d)
    $408.80 plus $76.65 = $485.45 divided by 2300 miles = 21.1 cents mile
    (b) In using a formula to determine a rate of pay, the average number of hours projected to be worked and the average number of work units accomplished per week shall reflect the actual number of hours worked and work units projected to be accomplished by persons performing the same type of work over a representative time period within the past two years consisting of at least twenty-six consecutive weeks.
    (c) The department may evaluate alternative rates of pay and formulas used by employers in order to determine whether the rates of pay established under this section result in the driver receiving compensation reasonably equivalent to one and one-half times the base rate of pay for actual hours worked in excess of forty hours per week.
    (2) Where an employee receives a different base rate of pay depending on the type of work performed, the rate that is paid or used for hours worked in excess of forty hours per week shall be at least the overtime rate of pay for the type of work in which most hours were worked.
    (3) Compensation plans before March 1, 2007. An employer who employed drivers who worked over forty hours a week consisting of both in-state and out-of-state hours anytime before March 1, 2007, may, within ninety days of the adoption of this subsection, submit a proposal consistent with subsection (1) of this section to the department for approval of a reasonably equivalent compensation system. The employer shall submit information to substantiate its proposal consisting of at least twenty-six consecutive weeks over a representative time period between July 1, 2005, and March 1, 2007. The department shall then determine if the compensation system includes overtime that was at least reasonably equivalent to that required by RCW 49.46.130.
    Note 1:
    On March 1, 2007, the Washington state supreme court ruled that overtime rate of pay includes hours worked within and outside the state of Washington for Washington-based employees. Bostain v. Food Express, Inc., 159 Wn.2d 700, 153 P.3d 846 (2007).
    Note 2:
    The adoption date of this subsection is October 21, 2008.
     
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  5. Cattleman84

    Cattleman84 Road Train Member

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    Thier not bad at math... You, and most every other nondriver in this country, dont realize that trucking is not a 40 hour a week job... Or that truck drivers are generally not paid overtime.


    Trucking operates on either a 60 hr week or a 70 hr week, depending on how the company chooses to setup it operation.

    $90,000 a year works out to $1730.77 a week. At $30/hr that is 57.692 hours. Sounds to me like they probably operate on a 60 hour work week.
     
  6. SoulScream84

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    Guarantee that they get out of it by simply sending you into another state at least once per week. Resulting in you being under only the FLSA rules. Also, the pay schedule with the alternative work duties will pay for accessorial work as already stated by @Frank Speak. Regardless, you've been given the answer by people who have been in it, but you obviously know more so goodluck.
     
  7. '88K100

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    Ive been on linehaul 27 years…35 hour week, I value my time and refuse any extra work, not giving away my skill/time without added compensation…When I was hired I made it clear,,,if there is any extra work DONT CALL ME
     
  8. Brandt

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    They always say AVERAGE driver pay. That way they are not say what you will get personally. If you don’t get the same pay you just not average. Ha ha. Just joking, that way they can claim hire pay to get new driver to sign up. Lots companies with higher pay, pay you as 1099 vs w-2. So you get stuck pay all that taxes plus no heath insurance and no workers comp insurance coverage. Usually at 1099 they really want to blame you for more stuff and then take it out of your pay. Someone on here had story about his boss want to change him like $5,000 for load he couldn’t pick up. He was 1099 it just leave big hole to lots of shady stuff to go on.
     
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  9. Brandt

    Brandt Road Train Member

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    Their are a couple companies that really pay driver by the hour. They might pay overtime after 40 hour.
     
  10. prostartom

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    We pay all employees including drivers overtime after 40 hours even though we don't have to. We are a farm so we could use the exemption farms are given to the overtime laws or the exemptions for drivers but the company still choses to pay it.

    I used to work for a propane hauling outfit during the winter and they paid overtime after 54 hours, I didn't like it but I wanted to get away from heating oil so I took it. I asked management why you had to work 54 hours before OT instead of the normal 40 and they said that was their agreement with the union as they had both union and non-union drivers. I also asked my training driver the same question and he backed up management as I thought maybe they were BSing me. I was a non-union driver so I always thought that must not be a very good union to belong to.

    There are a lot of LTL companies that will pay OT after 40, UPS pays OT for anything after 8 hours a day which is really sweet. You can take a day off during the week and not convert your currently accrued OT back to regular time.
     
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  11. Eddiec

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    $62,400 is based on a 40 hour week - based on the job description given, this looks like a multi- stop, food service or grocery store driver position. These positions are usually 10 - 14 hour days, so $90,000 is possible working a 60 hour week.
    $30 X 60 Hours = $1,800.00
    $1,800 X 52 Weeks = $93,600.00
     
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