I had to do that once... As a last ditch effort. But granted it was the last axle of pup trailer on my tank train that was rolling backward.
What is tail swing and why is it a problem?
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by MACK E-6, Apr 29, 2024.
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I just wish the industry in general would stop referring to KPRA regs as bridge laws. Bridge laws deal with weight, KPRA regs do not.
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We regularly get bulletins from Ford that make ya wonder if 3rd graders are hauling cars somewhere, because an adult surely doesn't need this infantile guidance.expedite_it and Long FLD Thank this. -
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I have never knowingly seen sliding tandems in the EU so in one sense you should think yourselves lucky to have a choice in a tight situation. To my mind one reason tail swing hits occur is partly through embarrassment. It shouldn't be considered 'sissy' if you have any doubt in a tight situation to get out, walk back, and have a check before anything bad happens.
Despite our shorter trailer lengths we probably have more old cities with tight junctions so it is a problem here. My theory when approaching a 90 degree turn where the approach road has 2 lanes, is to 'own' both of them by straddling the middle line, rather an at the extremes of either. That way I have a better chance that my 'safety zones' will not be invaded by a numpty.4wayflashers and SmallPackage Thank this. -
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Also, our kingpins are set back between 3' and 4' from the nose of the trailer; most European trailers it's more like 6'. You guys have to deal with more NOSE-swing than we do, but do you ever have 13' (4m) from your rearmost axle to the end of your trailer? Additionally, you guys drive what we would classify as a single-width sleeper cabover (even if it does extend upward..) further enhancing your maneuverability.
In a way, your fixed 3-axle trailer combos are all pretty similar, which means that backing the trailer up it will always react the same way. Most van trailers (and a lot of flatbeds, too) have sliding tandems. Bulk haulers, livestock trailers and household moving trailers rarely do, however. -
While first giving the caveat that I am 21 years retired and don't need to know this stuff anymore, broadly speaking you are correct.
If we were to nose into a parking spot in a truckstop for example, perhaps to sleep at the other end of a frigo next door, apart from the obvious making sure we don't drag the back end across the wagon next door, we do have to be very careful of the nose swing of the trailer. However all that stuff comes as 2nd nature to experienced drivers
When I first started in the early '60s most trailers were only 28, then 33 feet long and many with the hidious 4 in line axle configuration. 2 short axles side by side with a large wheel at the end of each. The axles were suspended from the chassis and were hinged to allow the wheels to go up and down with the terrain, hence the horrible term, oscillating bogies. They were very unstable and needed special care and understanding especially if you had a flat tyre because the whole axle tilted down on that side. They were popular with hauliers though because the law allowed those 4 wheels to be counted for weight purposes equal to a standard 8 wheel tandem. No problem with swing though, they were usually near the back of the trailer.
Then 40 foots to cope with the container revolution and later, possibly after the EU connection, what I believe now are 13 metres for standard trailers. European kingpins were even longer than ours in the early days, making picking up unaccompanied trailers at the docks a problem for some cabs which could not be used because of the close swing.
Of course your permissably longer tractors, while nice for you in a large comfy sleeper also have an affect on manoeuvrability. A fascinating subject and if my application to M S Carriers back in the early '90s had been successful I might know a little more about your situation by now.Last edited: May 2, 2024
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