5th Wheel position

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  1. Iceman1643

    Iceman1643 Light Load Member

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    I'm on a journey to get my 2022 Freightliner to ride better. Was talking to an older trucker and one thing he suggested was to have the 5th in the proper position. I run a fixed 5th Wheel and the kingpin sits about 4"(+/-) forward of dead center of both drive axle.
    Ole boy said to lessen the truck wanting to buck like a bronco, have the kingpin dead center of the 2 drives......
    Is this correct? Would it improve the way the truck n trailer will ride? Science tells me, the further back that weight point is the lighter will make the frontend. Which is not necessarily a good thing.
    I'm usually always heavy, between 70k and 80k.
    Any knowledge/opinions are greatly appreciated!
     
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  3. Diesel Dave

    Diesel Dave Last Few of the OUTLAWS

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    Different trucks, different positions.
     
  4. Short Fuse EOD

    Short Fuse EOD Road Train Member

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    Generally, Having the fifth wheel center between the two drives is a decent position for a ride comfort. I’d say most guys position their fifth wheel for function.
     
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  5. Oakland Raiders Forever

    Oakland Raiders Forever Medium Load Member

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    In general I’ve found that the further back the smoother the ride
     
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  6. 201

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    "Stretch 'er out, boy" was the cry. More weight on the steer will give a rougher ride, and if no scales, everybody put the 5th wheel as far back as it would go. I'd look elsewhere for a better ride, I suggest a KWhopper. ;) They are called "Freightshakers" for a reason. Being a newer truck, you can rule out anything worn, and perhaps a rear suspension adjustment is needed. Freightliners generally ride pretty nice. What kind of wagon?
     
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  7. Iceman1643

    Iceman1643 Light Load Member

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    She's a 2022 Cascadia with 303k on the dial.
    Bought it a few months back and stopped being company driver. But just before that I had maintenance align, adjusted, and shimmed the suspension. Just had 2 new shocks installed on the steers. New meat all the way around. Cab shocks replaced with Gabriel Fleetline. Still gotta get the 4 drive shocks done, and the Centramatics installed on all 3 axles.
    And now adding sliding the fixed 5th Wheel back about 4/5 inches in the "to-do" list.
     
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  8. Iceman1643

    Iceman1643 Light Load Member

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    Yes, I'm realize that. I was looking for a "general rule of thumb"
     
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  9. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    If you're always at 70 - 80,000, primary is going to be making it legal. I would think you're set at legal now since you're always at gross.

    Like someone else said, you need to be looking somewhere else for your comfort. You wont have any room to be messing around with the 5th wheel.
     
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    You didn't say what you are pulling. Does it ride rough bobtailing? The wagon may be the culprit. I've found, generally, the shocks do little if anything.
     
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  11. Rideandrepair

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    Shocks are probably original. Change them and see what happens. My Truck rides great when the air ride height is set properly, and with new shocks. Bad shocks and height slightly off, especially if it’s low, and it rides like crap. It’s an old FLD. The difference is night and day. Start there and see what you got. Moving the fifth wheel back a bit might help. Not much. Hardly worth it. As long as you don’t currently have trouble scaling loads. I run my slider at about the same position as yours. That’s 1 notch forward of dead center on the slider itself. Each notch shifts about 500 lbs of weight. Works best for 99.9% of loads with my Truck. Helps mpg’s to keep the gap closed up between cab and trailer. Get familiar with load distributions. Weighing the heavy loads. Learn what works best, use the trailers sliding axles to your advantage. Too heavy on fifth wheel, or too heavy on trailer tandems, either way will cause bucking. The latter being dangerous in slick conditions. Usually if it axles out evenly, that’s about as good a ride you’re going to get when heavy. Use that as a reference for comparison. See how it rides. The culprit is probably the spring ride trailer. Shorter wb Trucks by design buck more. Not much you can do about that. The air bags have gotten bigger in the last 20 years. Seems to be the key to a better ride. They run softer, and If shocks are bad, bounce more, causing it to buck. Bad shocks are useless. Like having none at all. You could literally run without them and not notice any difference. More importantly they slow down the movement of the suspension, lessening the bucking. Considering the larger air bags, good shocks are key to a better ride. Too much movement also wreaks havoc on the whole suspension. Wearing out bushings, height valve, tires, driveline faster. They’re worth every penny. That’s my been my experience anyways.
     
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