Maybe the cost of a New Truck is being manipulated….

The range is reduced by cold weather. Two factors: one is the weather because of air density. The other is it takes energy to keep the batteries warm. Neighbor's cars are usually cut by 20% when it hits freezing.

 

Air density? Range isn't reduced in an electric vehicle because of air density. It's reduced because all batteries make less power in cold climates. That's why so many cars won't start in the cold. It's not the ICE engine that cares, but when a battery is barely able to start it on a warm sunny day, when that day becomes 15 below zero, that battery becomes a paperweight.

 

Cold, dense air requires more output from the battery to get down the road, same as fuel economy dropping in cold temps.

 

LOL Dude, the air isn't THAT much more dense. Good lord. The cold air is what kills range in an EV because of the battery output. Why doesn't the dense air reduce the range of ICE vehicles, too? The cold air is more dense, and it takes more fuel to mix with the air for the right mixture. The engine makes more power, but does get slightly worse fuel mileage.

But it's not the air density that's the culprit. As in like....pushing the vehicle through the air is harder.

Cold weather can cut electric vehicle range and make charging tough. Here's what you need to know.

It has to with electrolyte moving through the battery. Nowhere in this article does it say the air is so thick the car can't go through it. That's pretty funny, actually.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/ev-cold-weather-battery-range-1.7087293

 

I am not going to prove I'm right; there is a lot of science to do with air density and Aerodynamic drag, it has been studied since the Wright brothers set up their lab.

Batteries are not the mitigating factor; the batteries are heated in many EVs, and Tesla is one such vehicle. The heater takes energy; the batteries do not reduce their energy production once they reach a working temperature.

An ICE takes more fuel and more power to start, that's true but once it is running, the air density and the drag is the same as the EV.

Now if you have an EV, then great, you can explain it to everyone what it is all about. I haven't pulled the trigger on one yet but I been driving my neighbors 3 days out of the week to one of my offices. He has a few of them and I think his explination is aligned with others and the engineers.

 

Interesting

 

lithium is short lived.

R & D has already advanced to other things.

 

If i was oblivious. How come I haven't pulled the trigger for failure yet?

You have no idea what it know.

 

Yes, when you make an absurd claim that EV mileage goes down in the cold because of the density of the air, you're going to be asked to back that up with science. I posted multiple sources backing up what I said.

What do you say? "I'm not going to prove I'm right" Yea no kidding, because you're wrong. Aerodynamic drag has nothing to do with fuel mileage in EV's in the cold. Yea, airplanes LOVE cold air, because it's MORE dense and so they climb like homesick angels. But they DON'T SLOW DOWN. How do I know this? I am a licensed pilot. I've flown many different planes. If dense air slows you down, then airplane owners manuals would have glide charts having to do with air temp, and amazingly they don't. If something that flies through the air doesn't slow down with air being cold, then neither will cars going half as fast. EV's lose 25% of their range in the cold. Only an idiot would claim that's because of air density. Air would have be like syrup to slow a car down that much. Airliners climb as high as they can to get the best performance. The air up there is 45 BELOW zero. They go FASTER up there, not slower. Yes the air is thinner at altitude, but how can that be if it gets MORE dense as it gets colder? Is 45 below not cold enough for the air to be dense?

Make absurd claims? You'll be asked to back them up with proof or else be called wrong. So go ahead and show the proof now or admit you're absolutely 100% wrong. Maybe not 100%, 99.9%. I'll give you a tenth of a mile of range loss due to air density. EV range loss, even assuming the driver freezes their ### off and doesn't use the heater, is due to the molecules slowing down in the dense cold electrolyte that makes a LiPo battery. If that car uses a battery heater, then it's robbing the battery of power to heat the battery, so the range is reduced for that reason, too. Pick your poison. You ain't gettin' the same range in January as you will in July. PERIOD. And it's not because the air is more dense.

 

If it’s only the temperature that drops the range in cold temps does that mean that the range isn’t hindered by hills or severe winds or anything else that’s drops fuel economy in a normal vehicle?