Is Mc number required for dump truck company?

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  1. Thetrashnoob

    Thetrashnoob Light Load Member

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    I’m getting some confusing info and trying to confirm
    Do I need a Mc number to haul other company’s gravel/ aggregate loads?
    I am not leased onto companies, I am considered a subcontractor.
    Some people are saying I need a mc number others are saying no.
    I am staying in state, but will have apportioned plates.
     
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  3. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    MC number is authority to haul commodities interstate.

    Intrastate [as long as you stay in the state] is not regulated by the FCMSA but instead by the individual state.

    Some states have a Public Utilities Commission that does handle intrastate commerce, like Ohio and Pennsylvania while others are wide open, like New Jersey.

    Contact your local state motor truck association for your state's requirements.
     
  4. Arctic_fox

    Arctic_fox Experienced mx13 execrator

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    This. Also OOIDA has a lot of good resources for this as well. You can also hire a business consultant for your state. Many of them at least when i started my company have standard packages with a checklist of everything you need to do to be legal for pretty cheap and will ensure your legal.

    Think i paid $600 for the packet and it covered EVERYTHING even had most of the paperwork i needed to file included along with where to send them refrences to various services i may need like accountants or lawyers ect.
     
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  5. Thetrashnoob

    Thetrashnoob Light Load Member

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    Can you haul intrastate with apportioned plates? I think probably not. All the work I’m looking to do is in one state, but should probably just get Mc number as it’ll open doors later.
     
  6. Ridgeline

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    Here in Michigan you need a US DOT number, and I am told this is in most states so check with your state.
     
  7. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    That is allowed, you would still report all home state miles, until you leave the state, to IRP and IFTA and all your fuel purchases would zero out your IFTA.

    You do need a DOT number to get apportioned registration so obtaining an MC number [or wait until it goes away] and establish authority for interstate work. Since the MC number is going away in the future and you stay interstate until then, you would still need to add authority to your DOT census number through the 'revised' process.

    You should first find out what your state requires as you are only interstate at this time.
     
  8. Thetrashnoob

    Thetrashnoob Light Load Member

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    I’ve been researching trying to find it out, but it’s so confusing as I’m apportioned. I wasn’t sure if I was considered interstate or intrastate, still am confused though as I thought you need a mc if you are for hire, regardless of state line crossing or not. My insurance agent said you need a mc if you are involved in interstate commerce and hail regulated commodity for hire.

    so based on that it sounds like I would just need the dot number and no mc number UNLESS I am crossing state lines.
    It’s all very confusing to me and I’m struggling to understand if I need an authority or not.
     
  9. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Contact your STATE motor truck association and get state specific help.

    Apportioned Registrations are OK intrastate but kind of a waste unless going interstate.

    Your Insurance is looking for authority thinking you WILL cross state lines.

    Get legal for your current activities first.
     
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  10. abyliks

    abyliks Road Train Member

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    You need 2 jurisdictions for apportioned plates

    Gravel is exempt commodities, black top (paving) is not.
     
  11. CodyatDTS

    CodyatDTS Bobtail Member

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    Hi everyone, the initial question was answered very well; here is my feedback an "MC number" is only for a "regulated CMV" engaged in INTER-state for-hire commerce, exempt commodities do not require the MC number.
    You DO require a USDOT number if INTERstate, apply online and you'll indicate on your MCS 150 form "Exempt for hire." If you're not certain on the commodity a quick easy term search "FMCSA Exempt Commodities List."
    If not crossing states lines = NO MC number required, its a fed number, but your state may require you to obtain a USDOT number even for INTRAstate commerce. If they do, indicate "INTRASTATE" on your MC 150, if you filled it out wrong, go online and amend with MCS 150B; otherwise it will throw you into the federal New Entrant program list and you'll be in line for a federal audit within 12 months (reg says 18 but they are trying to do SAs within 12 mos).
    If you're also engaged in INTRAstate commerce you'll want to verify with the state authority whether or not they mirror the FMCSA title 49 regs; most states will have some quirky variances.
    Example: Feds regulate a CMV at 10,001 lbs. GVWR/GCWR, Missouri doesn't regulate a CMV until 26,001 lbs. GVWR/GCWR (not including HM and passenger carriers in this equation). In this scenario a light dump (less than 26,001 lbs. GVWR) can be completely unregulated intrastate, so check with your state when a vehicle is considered a CMV as defined in FMCSR 390 (usually a weight/GVWR threshold).

    Also, one thing a lot of dump truck operations don't realize...many also have an excavating aspect to their dump truck business, if you transport any skid steers, excavators, etc. across state lines (INTERstate) you are considered a class 9 Miscellaneous HM carrier and MUST have a $1,000,000 insurance policy and Form MCS 90 readily available (via Part 387.3). If you only haul the rock across state lines but only excavate intrastate you don't need the MCS 90.
    I was with the DOT for over two decades and often cited this violation. Many insurance agents are not aware; even car haulers are classified as class 9 HM.

    Best of luck to you!
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2025
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