Vibration no one can find

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by hrdman2luv, Apr 24, 2010.

  1. Longhood379

    Longhood379 Medium Load Member

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    Have you checked to make sure that the powerdivider is not jammed up in the locked position , if the tires are a bit different diameter and it is locked the torque windup to the point of slipp could cause the symptoms you describe
     
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  3. DDS

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    As he said, Also check the ratios, I have seen a truck built out of the factory with 3.70 front diff and a 3.55 rear. Turck had a vibration not found for 140 000 kms before the power divider failed. Peterbilt replaced the power divider due to twice before finding the rear diff ratio wrong.
     
  4. trucker lloyd

    trucker lloyd Light Load Member

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    i didnt think about that,good suggestion.
     
  5. JohnP3

    JohnP3 Road Train Member

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    That is a very good suggestion, when I was in Alberta we had a bunch of trucks that had the rear axle diff lock that was assembled wrong and when it was engaged on the dash it was actually out, we did not find it until we put it on stands and the rear axle was found to be locked. The tire man had complained of the new trucks eating drive tires especially the rears. That should not be a problem on the dyno. Having the wrong ratio's is not that uncommon. Ford threatened to sue us once for telling a customer. That would give you a better chance of a shudder. The dyno we had used 4 rollers and if you put in the locks it read out speeds on each axle. Just a thought!
     
  6. beltrans

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  7. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    The drive shaft was only 20 thousanths out.
    One U-joint was going out.
    had new carrier and all new u joints installed.
    Drive shafts trued.

    That didn't work.

    Took it to the people that went through my front diff, to have the front input shaft replaced.
    That didn't work. $1385 down the drain.

    I asked the guy at the gear place about the different ratio's, and he said that if I had 3.70's in one and 3.73's in another, that would work. But if I got too far apart on the ratio's, it wouldn't have lasted as long as it has. Something would've given out along time ago.

    This has been going on for several months....

    But, the one poster said he had 140,000 before it showed up.
     
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  8. ironhand

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    Driveshaft balanced? If the drive was stressed past modulus of elasticity it would be out of "balance" think licorice stick. It may have only been destructed to the point of errant vibration but not to the point of visual evidence on your pre-trips. Just a thought. it is probably cheaper than wheels and drums:yes2557:
     
  9. e500gvr

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    Your dealing with too many variables here yet. I have seen Cat dealers approach this a little differently. 1st they sling the engine itself ( off the motor mounts) and then run it with a Vibration meeter hooked up. Vibrations can be read as 1st order vibration, 2nd order vibration etc. which will identify the order of the vibration harmonics to certain components such as a crankshaft, or an electrical component which all give off different orders. Can't remember exactly but a 1st order might be the same vibration the engine produces at a certain Rpm, other orders of vibration might be a component that produces a half order which may suggest a cam etc.
    Stewart and Stevenson should have access to a similar engineering tool. You need to get a technical advisor at the dealership involved. Keep going higher in the organization until you hook up with the right manager or call Detroit diesel's help line.
    Not a cheap soultion and very labor intensive but, until you isolate and identify the root cause, it will drive you and your pocketbook nuts!
    Good Luck.
     
  10. ironhand

    ironhand Light Load Member

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    Was you're problem solved? :biggrin_255:
     
  11. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    No, not yet.

    So far, new drums, tires, u joints, shocks clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing, flywheel turned. Front differential tourn down and rebuilt. (Was told nothing was wrong with it, but they didn't know to see if it actually was a 3.73, adn that if it matched the rear diff).
    The drive shaft was turned. Was only 20thousands out of round and no weights were needed. Also had the input shaft on the front diff replaced.

    Things I haven't done yet, are to see if the gears in the front diff are the same as the rear.

    The mechanic yesterday said that all the motor mounts look good.

    There are alot of good idea's posted here. And thanks for allof them.

    Im not sure if I mentioned this, but the front diff is alot hotter than the rear. after running several miles, I can hold my hand on the rear diff for as long as I want to. But, the front diff will burn me if I hold it on there more than 5 to 10 seconds....
     
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