1st Post,
Looking for real life experiences, regarding Caterpillar's Camshaft 4W1765 (AKA) 4W2430 High Lift
I know they're hard on the Valve train Assembly.
High Lift & Long Duration - exhaust lobe
But how do they stack against CATs other B-C model Cams Performance wise?
This Cam was last used 38 years ago (1987) in CAT truck engines 7FB rated @ 350-400hp JWAC.
There's Marine and Gens that are rated with much higher HP and valve train friendly Cams,
But I'm interested in the Performance Capabilities of the Old Iron.
Thanks,
4W1765 THE GOOD THE BAD & THE UGLY
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by 1034-CAT, May 22, 2025.
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Your not gonna make not 1 more horse with that than you will a 100-7408. In reality probably less. Remember you’re working on a push tube engine. Valve train deflection is all I’m gonna say I have covered this in countless threads and I just ain’t got the energy to cover it again.
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To address the deflection,
I was going to see about possibly getting heavier push rods and heavier dual springs to stay in contact with the ramp speeds.
@ 17liters displacement my thoughts are for a high ramp, long duration camshaft for optimizing airflow into & out of the combustion chamber. Longer duration means the valves stay open longer, allowing for more air and fuel to enter and exhaust to exit. -
You are not gonna flow enough fuel from a mechanical pump to feed 17 liters like your hoping.
If your lift makes that much difference I’ll refer back to the E model and up platform. From 5EK to the C18 intake valve lift and duration is the same across all camshafts. Exhaust valve lift and duration is the same as well. What’s different is injector lobe placement as well as lift. Now I’ll leave you to build your monsterMACK E-6, Sons Hero, austinmike and 1 other person Thank this. -
I'm not familiar with the ECM CATs, but thanks for pointing out that they all rum the same profile. So is it in the injection lobe where they make the changes for 800 & 100hp marine cams.
As far as piston & injector matching, I was just going to use a new set of 130-5187 injectors that I've had good success running for the last 12 years with modifications to the pistons using a CAD program I made years ago.
As far as fueling this monster, I have my concerns. -
Assuming your gonna use the IPD 17 liter pistons do you know they will live after being machined or are you going to loose too much in the bowl and run the risk of being too thin?
Cause it doesn’t matter whether your compression is 14.6:2 or 16.1:1. It’s about bowl size depth and taper. Getting the spray at just the right time and position to atomize properly other wise your just making smoke and heat. Those nozzles have a crack pressure at 3500 psi……takes a C pump to run them unless you lower the pressure which affects atomization. And you need to know what parts to put in that C pump cause it can’t be stock. It’s a mixed bag of ####. When you get it to flow enough you loose fuel pressure on a pull so you have to supplement the lift pump with a pos fass and in that it causes you to carry a spare motor around for it. Every one says that it takes a B governor section on a C to get that flow but that’s not it. Or at least I don’t think so, I mean I don’t for sure I knew a guy one time and that’s what he told meOxbow Thanks this. -
yeah, for the Injection pump I will be using the C model with the cam driven lift pump Removed and a block plate Installed
the appropriate check valves and springs for the plunger and barrels along with Governor springs yada yada yada. Fuel will be supplied with a E model style fuel pump and regulated at 60 psi to prevent the side cover from blowing a gasket.
With this being regulated in this manner with those injectors when the engine demands fuel delivery, it maintains the set PSI instead of it dropping like it would With the original style tappet cam driven fuel pump -
You still haven’t fixed the flow into the plungers nor have you overcome the size of the delivery barrel just sayin -
I know by increasing the displacement with the Bore and stroke. The limitations are in my fuel delivery. It has been quite sometime since I’ve heard of any oversized P&B.’s being available.
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