Not sure if this is the right forum.. the subject is somewhat political in nature but I don't have 10 posts yet so..
Anyway, here goes. I'm not a trucker (yet, still in school) but I've noticed that two of the most common complaints by truckers, not enough pay and too many regs, seem to be somewhat connected. I'll start with too many regs and work my way to the pay. Now, from all I've heard from my dad who drove trucks for thirty some odd years and reading the boards and hearing from the old hands that teach at my school, the trucking industry is becoming super regulated in the name of safety and the DOT loves to hand out fines, the bigger the better, if you so much as spell something wrong in your log. So besides the huge amounts of money trucking companies must figure into their budgets for fines, there's also the issue of accidents. Everybody knows getting hit by a big rig is better than winning the lotto cause it's always the big rigs fault. Poor lil 4wheeler that cut them off. Obviously this has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money. I haven't looked up stats but I would dare say the percentage of CMV accidents per drivers driving now is not really that different than it was 20 years ago. So here's my thoughts on all this.. why aren't truckers and trucking companys fighting back? Why are they continuing to let the DOT do whatever they want? Why are they not lobbying for a level playing field and regulation in the area of fines? Why are they content with a poor public image that lets people see dollar signs everytime they see a big rig? If they did, it would lead to a less stressful, better quality of life for the trucker who would no longer have to watch his back every waking second or lie on his logs to make a decent living and hope to god he didn't get caught. So the industry would become safer on it's own and with more money to go around, it would also solve the problem of driver pay. Not to mention other far reaching effects such as lower shipping costs which would lower prices on everything down the line
Thoughts on fines
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Chasingthesky, May 4, 2010.
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A week and no comments.. am I that far off base or what?
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Well, trucking is a unique business. It is highly regulated by the Feds. And also on the state level. I don't think the Airlines/Railroads/Shipping companies are looked at as much as trucking. The railroads have a horrendous safety record. They can wipe out a small town easily with a derailment of toxic tankers. Look at mining. Everytime a mine blows, the first thing you hear is that that particular mining operation was cited for 22 violations in the last 5 months. Yet, they still operate daily.
I'm not sure why trucking companies don't fight back. Obviously, the Feds know about cheating the rules. Most companies just pay the fines and continue on. (part of doing business). If they raise too much of a stink, the Feds can make their life miserable. It's called chasing the big dollar, you know, the American way. The trucking companies can certainly dictate rates, if they wanted to, but there's always some fool who will undercut their rate to get the business. Shippers know this and aren't shy about letting the truck companies know. Kinda like car insurance or credit card companies. No one is loyal anymore. This company offers a better rate, make the move to save a buck, right?
The American worker can demand all he wants, but, be carefull, you may demand too much and then your job is gone overseas. Businesses aren't in business to coddle their employees, they're in business to make a profit and move forward. Just food for thought. -
You have a good point about companies and truckers just paying the fines and going on. That point came up in discussion last night at school. The reason for it being given is that OTR truckers more than likely aren't going to be around for court so it's easier to pay the fine and move on. True, it's easier on a single incident by single incident basis but with the majority of the industy doing it, it's created the 'easy money, guanteed money' monster. Perhaps if more people were able or willing to fight questionable tickets, that trend would slow and tickets would only be written for actual offenses that would hold up in court
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Also too aside from the DOT fines you got to watch out for other public entities like the California Highway Patrol. They come to mind for big fines. If you ever are in that state and are going down the back end of I-5/grapevine be careful not to go over 40 mph.
That happened to me where I was doing 55 and didn't realize that the speed limit cut down to 40 and by the time I saw it the #### CHP pulled me over as I was bob tailing down the highway.
I got cited for 54 in a 40, and actually he was being nice to me. The fine only turned out to be 300 bucks. If he would have cited me for 55 or over then it would have turned into a 2000.00 fine and my CDL would have been revoked. Not sure for how long but still that in itself would have been a nightmare to deal with.
I was able to pay off the fine and all but it was not a fun thing to deal with.
What sucked was I thought that I was ok because the normal speed limit for trucks on I-5 is 55mph unless your on a grade of course. They are all out to make money off of the truck drivers and the companies. Sad but true! -
The large trucking companies dont fight back because they belong to the different public interest groups that helped push to get the majority of the laws passed.
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That makes sense. But wouldn't that be somewhat counterproductive? Sure you can make the laws to make money off the companies, but if you also have a vested intrest in said company, were does that leave you when the company goes under?
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Trucks accidents are decreasing mainly because of government efforts. But how far can you go?
I think everytime they pass a law, they should give a driver a raise.
The public hates big trucks because they get in their way. You can see disgust in their face anytime they have to deal with you. Alot of laws are powered by this.
From restricting us to certain lanes to bypassing their towns to not using safety devices like jake brakes because they decided to build their house beside a major truck lane.
Pawtucket Bridge on I-95 in RI is a perfect example. The bridge is old but deemed safe for all traffic. The bridge is scheduled for reconstruction. Yet they restrict trucks from crossing it because they want bridge deterioration to slow down. Duh! They are rebuilding it anyways. They have fined 7400 truckers over $3,000,000 for crossing that bridge. The locals are fighting for a piece of the cake because trucks are detoured by them. It's all about $$$$.
You try to stand up against these things, you are treated like you are a dumb ### just because you are a trucker. You are something that comes and goes and they want to get there hands in your wallet as you go by. -
From Smerritt08:
One statistic that literally screams out for recognition is the fact that, while it is true that the number of deaths contributed to CMV-related incidents hasn't changed much over the last 30+ years, if you consider the fact that there are at least 60% more CMVs on the roads today, which translates to a buttload ("buttload" is a technical term) of additional miles (billions) traveled, I think the drivers who have been out there at any time during the last 30 years should be applauded, not criticized!!!! (Sorry for the run-on sentence from hell)
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It all boils down to money, it is cheaper for the trucking companies to pay fines, and pay after accidents rather than to pay lawyers to change the laws or fight the battles in court over accidents.
What really gets my goat is that the fines that are charged to drivers. Some of those fines, if they were directed to the compaines the drivers worked for, would result in improvements in safety and working conditions. Other fines that are the driver's responsibilty, are in some states so high, that they border on cruel and unusual punishment in my mind! What other occupation can you be fined around 10% of your annual pay for making mistakes? I have always wanted to know, what the allowable error percentage or level is for a driver's log book. I know that it is ZERO! So can the Judge's and everyone else in the legal system be held to the same standard? Of course NOT!JustSonny Thanks this.
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