high applied brake pressure

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  1. joecitizen

    joecitizen Light Load Member

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    i originally posted this in the "dangerous bobtail" thread, but haven't received any real direction as to how I fix the issue, so i decided to re post in this topic area.

    when i am bob tailing it takes at least 50 psi of applied brake pressure to stop. at times i begin to think the dang truck isnt gonna stop, is this typical? it feels like driving a 56 ford pickup with front drum brakes and no power assist.

    i have replaced the foot valve, quick release valve under the 5th wheel, new shoes and spring kit on #2 drive axle, brakes shoes on all other axles are at least 90%. all brakes have been properly adjusted and air tanks have been purged.

    thanks in advance for your help!
     
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  3. musicmaker

    musicmaker Medium Load Member

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    I had a FLD Freightliner that did that too. On that truck I could hook the blue and red lines together and it helped a lot. Must of been something with the valve
     
  4. xTHANATOPSISx

    xTHANATOPSISx Light Load Member

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    I'm sure you've checked for a leak, but if not, start with a leak-down test and if it is draining the tanks, chock the wheels, use a board or similar to block the brake pedal down and walk around checking for a leak or unusual loss of air.
     
  5. Jas

    Jas Medium Load Member

    Does it lock the rears when botail in the wet? sound like it might be an issue with the steer brakes not applying.
     
  6. DL550CAT

    DL550CAT Road Train Member

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    put a quarter between your glad hands a hook them together and push your red valve in on the dash for the trailer brakes. Some older trucks when bobtailing dont let much air go to the drives so all your braking is done wiyh the front.
     
  7. Jfaulk99

    Jfaulk99 Road Train Member

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    You have a "brake proportioning valve"! Which IMO are dangerous and scary. They should come with new new shorts because you have to push extremely hard on the pedal to stop. We had one truck that came with one and it wasn't on there very long. Had a sticker on the dash warning of the increased brake pressure that was required while bob tailing. Here's a link to what it looks like (looks like a standard relay valve) and a description.

    Only way to fix it is to block off the gladhands and drive with the red button in, or take that junk valve off and replace it with a standard brake relay valve. I'd just replace it since relay valves are pretty cheap usually between $20-$40 depending on which direction you need the ports (vertical or horizontal)

    Here are 2 quotes from the valve description
    Translation = You have to stand on the brake pedal to stop!

    Translation = total BS, what it actually does is make your butt pucker!
     
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  8. joecitizen

    joecitizen Light Load Member

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    thank you to all who have replied. i have some work cut out for me, but at least i have more ideas on what i need to be looking at.

    i dont know if it will cause i am too nervous to drive on a nice sunny day let alone on wet pavement.

    Yes, this is how i found the foot valve leaking and a brake chamber leaking. i will be continuing to look for more leaks.
     
  9. Waterman1000

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    Wow, sounds like what I have. I have a 69 White Freight liner tank truck converter to a strait truck. Trailer pintel hitch and glade hands removed. When I had a load I nerly had to stand on the brakes to stop going down a hill to make a turn. A real pucker factor. I notice what looks like a quick release valve on the back diff axle leaking air with the button pushed in to go. I don't think thats normal and will get a new one. The emergnecy air release buttons and resovor have been disconnect and don't function. I looked at the bobtail valve and wonder if I should install it.
     
  10. Iceman_biker

    Iceman_biker Light Load Member

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    i dont know if it will cause i am too nervous to drive on a nice sunny day let alone on wet pavement.


    Where is your sense of adventure, you haven't had fun until you drift a bobtail up to a red light trying to stop. :biggrin_25523::biggrin_25523:
     
  11. joecitizen

    joecitizen Light Load Member

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    the closest i came to this was getting off the freeway, standing on the brakes as hard as i could while the off ramp curved to the right, missed a gear while downshifting (so of course no jakes), all the while a fourwheeler was right in front of me.
     
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