Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

Then you either move or follow the rules and turn in your soda.

This one I'm on the fence with, it has it's good and bad points.

Mark

 

They don't have the right to read or copy your data, just check for illegal data. There is a difference, they can check with out reading your legal data.

Mark

 

Never said blind trust. I don't trust the government or most of people, both are and will try to cheat you to make a buck.

I think they should have a warrant to search your house.

They are can and do already. Your ISP is by law required to keep all that stuff. If you don't think the government goes and snoops before the warrant to make sure stuff is there, I have a bridge to sell you.

Mark

 

Uh huh. I understand now. The rule of law - even if that law destroys your freedom, makes a shambles of the constitution, and negates the lives of everyone that has fought to make this country free - is paramount.

Gotcha. Ah, well. Then at least the constitution protects your right to think so. For now. Maybe.

Sieg Heil!

 

Just how long do you think it's going to be before that's next? In a world where you can be charged because you use a certain keyword in a Google search...in a world where it becomes a crime to think about doing something considered illegal...how long will it be before they come after you in your home? Because, my friend... "imminent infringement" is about as rational as whacking your own jewels with a sledgehammer. Search and seizure without a warrant is something supposedly denied by the Constitution.

Are you also saying then, that we must follow laws that are in direct conflict with the US Constitution? Until we can get them changed , of course, right? Is that really what you believe? That is a rhetorical question, sir. Don't bother answering...because I have a good idea that the rule of law is paramount in your book.

Let's say they made a law that required you to inform the government if you suspected that your neighbor was violating intellectual property law. Would you do it? And while we're on the neighbor...hope he's not smart enough to steal your wifi and use it for anything illegal. Or that your kids aren't downloading music when you're at work. Or that your buddy isn't googling "torrents" on your system...cuz they will shut your internet service down for any and all of that. ISP's will no longer have the luxury of attempting to protect personal information. Verizon...as a matter of fact...already maintains a list of suspected copyright offenders. To protect themselves.

And people like me, sir? Are you insinuating that I have illegal content of any kind? Oh...but I must have, right? Why would I be against such sweeping destruction of personal freedom if I didn't have something to hide, right?

See...that's what pisses me off. You can search my property until the cows come home, and you won't find anything that is considered intellectual property violation. You'll find a lot of open source material, for sure. And I subscribe to Netflix for my movies.

Yeah...this is America. An America that's very quickly becoming a police-state, and fascist, and intellectual property law is the catalyst that's driving it. And we should just lay down and take it, because that's more secure and easier than remaining free. It's an America that has lost the will to remain free. It's my country, and I love her...but I will continue to oppose enemies both foreign and domestic. Because I am an American.

And I leave a couple of points for you to ponder. How does this benefit you? How is the protection of intellectual property to this degree, a benefit to society? AND...how are you going to feel when it's YOUR property that is being searched...without probable cause? Hope your laptop doesn't have any copies of movies you legitimately bought, or that you don't have any extra copies that you burned. Not saying you do...but, those would be illegal too. And you may have to sweat it if you have Bittorrent or Limewire...even though most people use them for legitimate purposes. Course if you're not into file sharing, I guess it's not a big deal. You can just enjoy the invasion of your privacy, I guess. It's the law, right?

Peace.

What everyone seems to be forgetting is ACTA. Seriously, google the Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement and prepare to #### your pants, because all those rights you have under consumer protection laws? Those are gone. No digital backups, no fair use, nothing.
And of course, because this is a treaty between nations, it doesn't have to be debated in any nation's legislature, nor voted on by it's MPs/Representatives, nor put to the public. Once they sign on the dotted line, the signatories are obligated to enforce it.
ACTA was supposed to be a legitimate piece of international cooperation to limit the manufacture and import of dangerous counterfeit toys, food, clothing and other physical goods. Now, it's a vehicle for the recording and movie industry lobbyists in the UK and America to force nations states to become their enforcers.

From June 16 to 18, 2010, a conference was held at the Washington College of Law, attended by "over 90 academics, practitioners and public interest organizations from six continents". Their conclusions were published on June 23, 2010 on the American University Washington College of Law website. They found "that the terms of the publicly released draft of ACTA threaten numerous public interests, including every concern specifically disclaimed by negotiators."

"(ACTA) allows criminal investigations and invasive searches to be performed against individuals for whom there is no probable cause, and in that regard weakens the presumption of innocence and allows what would in the past have been considered unlawful searches."

 

Somebody around here is a good little sheep.

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Just how long do you think it's going to be before that's next? In a world where you can be charged because you use a certain keyword in a Google search...in a world where it becomes a crime to think about doing something considered illegal...how long will it be before they come after you in your home? Because, my friend... "imminent infringement" is about as rational as whacking your own jewels with a sledgehammer. Search and seizure without a warrant is something supposedly denied by the Constitution.

It will be next when people make the choice to have it next. No one is charged for key word searches in the US, but it can put you under investigation.

Are you also saying then, that we must follow laws that are in direct conflict with the US Constitution? Until we can get them changed , of course, right? Is that really what you believe? That is a rhetorical question, sir. Don't bother answering...because I have a good idea that the rule of law is paramount in your book.

The US Constitution can be changed by law, a system is in place to have it changed. As for intellectual property rights, I do believe that it should mine until my death.

Let's say they made a law that required you to inform the government if you suspected that your neighbor was violating intellectual property law. Would you do it? And while we're on the neighbor...hope he's not smart enough to steal your wifi and use it for anything illegal. Or that your kids aren't downloading music when you're at work. Or that your buddy isn't googling "torrents" on your system...cuz they will shut your internet service down for any and all of that. ISP's will no longer have the luxury of attempting to protect personal information. Verizon...as a matter of fact...already maintains a list of suspected copyright offenders. To protect themselves.


If I knew for a fact that my neighbor was downloading music and violating intellectual property law, I would turn him in. Do I go out looking for it, no. The intellectual property that a actively check on is my own works.

I don't have wifi in my house, it's all hard wired. ISP have maintained a list long before the government required it, it's the information age. Copyright offenders are doing an illegal act, they ahould turn the list over to law enforcement for investigation. Once it's proven they broke the law, they should put on trial.

And people like me, sir? Are you insinuating that I have illegal content of any kind? Oh...but I must have, right? Why would I be against such sweeping destruction of personal freedom if I didn't have something to hide, right?


See...that's what pisses me off. You can search my property until the cows come home, and you won't find anything that is considered intellectual property violation. You'll find a lot of open source material, for sure. And I subscribe to Netflix for my movies.

Then you should not be on any list the government or your ISP keeps. No personal freedoms hurt.

Yeah...this is America. An America that's very quickly becoming a police-state, and fascist, and intellectual property law is the catalyst that's driving it. And we should just lay down and take it, because that's more secure and easier than remaining free. It's an America that has lost the will to remain free. It's my country, and I love her...but I will continue to oppose enemies both foreign and domestic. Because I am an American.

How is enforcing intellectual property law making it a police state? Name one legal case in the U.S. of some one being prosecuted for illegal music downloads that was false.

And I leave a couple of points for you to ponder. How does this benefit you? How is the protection of intellectual property to this degree, a benefit to society? AND...how are you going to feel when it's YOUR property that is being searched...without probable cause? Hope your laptop doesn't have any copies of movies you legitimately bought, or that you don't have any extra copies that you burned. Not saying you do...but, those would be illegal too. And you may have to sweat it if you have Bittorrent or Limewire...even though most people use them for legitimate purposes. Course if you're not into file sharing, I guess it's not a big deal. You can just enjoy the invasion of your privacy, I guess. It's the law, right?


I'm a photographer, people coping my photos hurts me. They are stealing money from me.

What is probable cause? Law enforcement do and will make it up, once you leave your house you have given up the right of privacy. It's already been fought and court, any time your out of your home you are fair game.

If I had extra copies of movies on my laptop then they are not legal copies, which I do not.

Yes, I have used file sharing. Do use some open software, and have downloaded then, on fear on my part. The ISP knows they are freeware.

So how would you protect intellectual property rights? Anybody can say this way is bad, wrong.................but it's coming up with a way that resolves the issue the means anything.

Peace.

What everyone seems to be forgetting is ACTA. Seriously, google the Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement and prepare to #### your pants, because all those rights you have under consumer protection laws? Those are gone. No digital backups, no fair use, nothing.
And of course, because this is a treaty between nations, it doesn't have to be debated in any nation's legislature, nor voted on by it's MPs/Representatives, nor put to the public. Once they sign on the dotted line, the signatories are obligated to enforce it.
ACTA was supposed to be a legitimate piece of international cooperation to limit the manufacture and import of dangerous counterfeit toys, food, clothing and other physical goods. Now, it's a vehicle for the recording and movie industry lobbyists in the UK and America to force nations states to become their enforcers.

From June 16 to 18, 2010, a conference was held at the WashingtonCollege of Law, attended by "over 90 academics, practitioners and public interest organizations from six continents". Their conclusions were published on June 23, 2010 on the AmericanUniversityWashingtonCollege of Law website. They found "that the terms of the publicly released draft of ACTA threaten numerous public interests, including every concern specifically disclaimed by negotiators."

"(ACTA) allows criminal investigations and invasive searches to be performed against individuals for whom there is no probable cause, and in that regard weakens the presumption of innocence and allows what would in the past have been considered unlawful searches."

To bad you don't understand how the government works. Any and all treaties must be approved by the Senate.
As for the ACTA, I think it goes to far.

 

ACTA changes this. "imminent infringement". Read up.

The Constitution can be changed by amendment. Not law. Amendment requires popular initiative. Your copyright is already protected until you die, plus 70 years.

I didn't ask you that. I asked you that if there were a law that required you to turn your neighbor in if you suspected he was infringing intellectual property law. Again, we're talking about an act that is changing the underlying facets of what is protected by the Constitution. Refer back to "imminent infringement". You don't have to break the law anymore. They just have to suspect that you are thinking about it.

Until they search my property without probable cause. Which they will be able to do once the act is signed.

I think you've been missing that no one has to prove anything under this new act. That there needs to be no probable cause under "imminent infringement".

That just confirms that a police-state already exists, right? So we need to do away with the illusions?

Better get rid of them. The act makes p2p software illegal because it can potentially be used for criminal activity. Read up.

ACTA is an executive agreement, not a treaty. I do have an understanding of how the government works, and that's why I'm scared to death. Executive agreements enable the US President to make international arrangements without senatorial participation, as is constitutionally required for treaties. Presidents may thus circumvent the Constitution by calling treaties executive agreements. I don't think we're arguing here. You seem to think, just like others, that I'm against intellectual property law. I'm not. My friend...ACTA is probably the single most serious threat to personal freedom this nation has ever faced. And again...intellectual copyright law has been the catalyst.

I'm at least glad you think ACTA goes too far. Problem is...it's going to be enacted unless we can stop it.