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Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by dancnoone, Jul 3, 2010.

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  1. Jul 9, 2010 #31
    phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    I drive for an affiliate of Quality. Does that make me a quality driver?

    It already has affected all commercial drivers.

    It won't change. It's already in effect. If it was going to change the way maintenance issues are addressed, it already would have.

    i remember a while back when i worked at werner, i got a call from my dispatcher.."hey, you remember that load of dish soap you hauled?!" ....im like....no...., well, it turns out that a trailer i dropped a MONTH AGO was just hooked to for the first time after i pulled it, and the ABS light was on.......

    ahahaha....
     
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  3. Jul 10, 2010 #32
    oldedge

    oldedge Light Load Member

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    I'm retired and out of it but I have looked at some of the sights. The thing that bothers me is that as far as I can tell there is nothing good for the driver in a inspection. You can have 10 clean checks in 1 month and then pick up 40 or 50 point in one inspection. And those points stay for 3 years. they do go down after one year and then down more after the second year.I have read that they start looking at you hard if you have 75 or more points. If you get zinged for a securement problem,most of these are 10 points times 3 or 30 points.It doesn't take many of those and you're out of a job.
     
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  4. Jul 10, 2010 #33
    dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Actually, they claim they will not present a driver with 40 or 50 points during an inspection.

    They may find that many violations. But the driver would only be hit with the highest scoring violation on the report.

    However, I will believe this when I see it in action.

    I see no way to avoid 20-30 possible points per year, as the officer, nor the driver has a way of determining if a light blew after the pre-trip inspection.

    Texas is absolutely rabid about CMV stops, if a light is out.
     
    dancnoone, Jul 10, 2010
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  5. Jul 10, 2010 #34
    oldedge

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    I just checked it and the fmcsa site does show that the company will be zinged for all safety violations found in an inspection.Any violation will be mutiplied by 3 to give the points. I did have the site that shows the points but I can't find it right now
     
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  7. Jul 10, 2010 #35
    dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    I'm still a bit fuzzy on all of it myself. We had a rather extensive meeting about it, but the information package is huge.

    The 3x multiplier is short lived. The points step down as time progresses. On the 25th month anniversary of a violation, it reflects it's true value.

    An OOS violation comes with an additional 2 points, to be added. Not sure if they multiply those 2 points into 6 though.

    I've looked over my record, I'll have 13 points on mine when this takes effect. I had originally thought it would be more, but I was corrected by safety.

    And 10 of those points were gotten within the past year. One violation, original penalty 5 points.

    Additionally: My company says that 90 points will put us on the street.
     
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  8. Jul 10, 2010 #36
    jbatmick

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    Do not believe it will raise our value as a driver.
    We were fed the same line of B.S. when they started the "CDL" program. They said the new requirements would weed out the lesser prepared drivers, and make good drivers more valuable. They also told us back then if we received a ticket in our private car, it would not count against our CDL license. After all, the Government is here to help us. ??
    This new program is a work in progress, and will get more complicated [ if that is possible ] as time goes on.
    All we can do is try to be compliant.
     
    jbatmick, Jul 10, 2010
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  9. Jul 10, 2010 #37
    oldedge

    oldedge Light Load Member

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    I did find the site that shows the points and said that the violation points would be capped at 30 per inspection,but then they will use the time multiplier so according to that you could easily get 90 points. almost all the securement dings are worth 10 points each. It also said when they are figuring the percentile for the cos. that they will throw out any driver who doesn't gave any points. So a good driver won't really help the co.
     
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  10. Jul 10, 2010 #38
    GuysLady

    GuysLady Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Unlike most people, CSA is not a huge concern for my husband... mainly because the company he works for is so aware of everything anyways.

    The owner has a true OPEN DOOR policy, and it extends to everyone. Even me. And I am just a driver's wife... but we are expected to TELL HIM if something is not right, not working, etc...

    For instance, my husband was given a load going from El Centro, CA to Portland, OR. And was given a Monday pickup of 9 am and a drop time of Wednesday 10 am... tight schedule, but doable. However the folks in El Centro did not get him loaded untill 9 pm. And the reciever was not going to change the drop time....

    Dispatch was having issues with them over it. couldn't get the morons to listen to him.

    Since Bill HATES telephones, I drove 30 miles, presented the issue to him, and it was fixed within 10 minutes. Then we spent an hour or two eating M & Ms, drinking coffee and catching up on kids and current events...

    My husband's dispatcher, Lewie, is well on his way to being one of the Greats. He drove for Bill for 20 years before he decided to try his hand at dispatching. So he knows the problems that come up, and does his best to fix them. With Lewie in the office, you can expect that a blown tire will get you a serve man out within an hour... and a completely broken truck will get you a tow truck and a hotel room..

    With Lewie, he EXPECTS you to tell him when you are short of hours, or you are not well, are tired, etc.. If he and Guy are running opposite schedules for some reason, he will call me to get hours....

    This company knows how to run legal, and expects it of their drivers..

    And now, running legal, my husband makes more than most OTR drivers out there. Last week he made $962. And was home all weekend.

    Life isn't always perfect with this company. It is an agricultural produce hauler, so winter months can get tight.. But Bill shares everything with his drivers. If his drivers are hurting, you can bet Bill's money is tight too. He is not one of those owners driving a brand new truck every year. (Though he did finally have to replace his truck... it was a 72 Chevy that he bought brand new!:biggrin_2559:) And when the loads start rolling in again.. the drivers get their share!

    Yeah, I like it here. I like the lack of issues with fixing trucks, I like the constant focus on safety, I like the fact that Bill is very aware that all of this stuff works together, and I like the fact that despite what some may say, we wives are treated like we really are part of the TEAM!

    So no, at this point CSA is not a pressing concern for me.
     
    GuysLady, Jul 10, 2010
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  11. Jul 10, 2010 #39
    Powder Joints

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    CSA is no different than dozens of other promises made by our government, No good is going to become of it.

    The Mothers against tired truckers and other such groups need to go back to raising there families and get there nose'e out of the business they know nothing of.
     
    Powder Joints, Jul 10, 2010
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  12. Jul 11, 2010 #40
    Calve

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    Everything CSA will be "awarding points" for will be applicable to you with the exception of log books, since you don't have to keep them. But tickets, (weight, tarping, vehicle violations, et.al) will count.

    Don't be overly concerned with CSA man. Just keep making sure your equipment is tight and right, you'll be fine.
     
    Calve, Jul 11, 2010
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