CSA may save your future/job.

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by dancnoone, Jul 3, 2010.

  1. JimDriv3r

    JimDriv3r Road Train Member

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    It's a pity that no one fights truck safety law policies that are not agreed upon (other than on the internet).

    Just like every other DOT/FMCSA law that was passed, it would probably be safe to just "play by the rules". While I don't agree 100% with the new CSA 2010 policy, there was probably a reason why it was proposed in the first place: unsafe truck drivers.

    No need to argue about it until your face turns blue. If you had to cheat in order to make money, then the loads weren't planned correctly in the first place. Just make your money one safe load at a time.

    Now for some anger management mantra: woooooooo saaah. Woooooooo saaaaah....etc.
     
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  3. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    While correct in summarizing Lincolns motivations for mass murder there are facets of "civilized living" such as publicly funded roads that fall under government supervision.

    We (and I mean all of us 4 wheelers included) have a tacit agreement with each other to have a a network of roads. We agree to abide by certain rules by requesting permission to drive on them. CDL holder's ask for further privileges of hauling heavier larger vehicles on these roads. This privilege requires compliance to a higher set of laws. Rightly or wrongly the general public feels we need these laws to mitigate the potential harm a heavier vehicle can cause. You can avoid this simply by not asking for that extra permission.

    A far cry from the genocide inflicted by Lincoln to enforce federal mandate.
     
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  4. oldedge

    oldedge Light Load Member

    Tazz, by your on words you have already gotten zinged for B.S. What I want to know is how those 5 good inspections helped your points. they take the point of the violation and mutiply them by 3. that is the points on your report.
     
  5. oldedge

    oldedge Light Load Member

    Let me post a scenerio for you. You load a coil of steel on a flatbed. It is chained properly, has all the correct tiedowns skid mats, trip chains and soforth. you stop 5 miles out and check your load just like you are supposed to. 5 miles down the road you are pulled over for an inspection. Unknown to you a kink in one of your chains has popped out and you now have a loose chain. Also when this chain got loose it brought you aggregate working limit below the required amount. Now you have at least 2 violations that you knew nothing about 15 minutes ago. almost any securement violation is 10 points. you now have 60 points on your report. That is going to be hard to overcome.
     
  6. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Problem is, anything that occurs right now will be included in that score.

    We're having drivers hammered for "not current" violations on their log books. These violations will be part of their score when the system comes up.
     
  7. zentrucking

    zentrucking Road Train Member

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    You can bet your bottom dollar that it won't come to that ...

    With that kind of attrition, rest assured the policy will be watered down, declawed, or neutered ... already been "postponed" several times.

    Trucking is simply to vital to national security and the economy - and the biggest, politically connected, and arguably the worst companies will see to it.
     
  8. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    You need to spend time on

    http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/FAQs.aspx?role=MC



    where you would find the following




    1. Where do clean inspections come into play in the CSA 2010 Behavior Analysis and Safety Improvement Categories (BASIC) measurement? Are they included in the “number of time weighted relevant inspections” formula? If so, are all clean inspection rated the same, or do different levels deserve a higher positive BASIC assessment. For example, are Level I clean inspections rated more positive than Level III?
      The Fatigued Driving (HOS), Driver Fitness, Vehicle Maintenance, and Cargo-Related BASICs all use “relevant inspections” as a denominator for assessment of carrier performance. For example, any time a driver is examined in an inspection, there is an opportunity for a violation that would impact the Driver Fitness BASIC. Since there is an opportunity for a violation, it is considered a “relevant inspection” for that BASIC. An inspection in which a driver was looked at with no Driver Fitness violations recorded (i.e. a “clean inspection”) would have a positive impact on the Driver Fitness BASIC.

      Put simply, “clean inspections” help prevent the Fatigued Driving (HOS), Driver Fitness, Vehicle Maintenance, and Cargo-Related BASICs from becoming deficient, or help to improve those BASICs if they are already deficient.






    All drivers need to get the "point's" out of their head. This is a different program than simple license points. The program is going to give you a ranking in the national percentile so yeah points matter but not in the simplistic way that people are trying to apply them. Lack of points during an inspection(clean) counts as a zero in the basics when formulating you peer group ranking.


    Invest some time in reading the FMCSA's sites on CSA2010. Stay away from any site that does not have FMCSA in the address.


    Failure to understand the program is the only BS I see these days. People spend more time speculating amongst themselves instead of going to the source.
     
  9. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Wow how the misinformed do carry on. They will not take your CDL. They will not fire you, the ignorant company might if their understanding is as flawed and simplistic as yours. See above post for a link to educate your self or be driven out of the industry from ignorance.
     
  10. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    I am not going to worry about it.

    I have had 3 inspections last year and 2 so far this year. Nothing wrong.

    I own the truck, so I know what is needed to be fixed. I do not drive it when something needs fixed.

    The only thing that makes me wonder, is why did the company get different time rules and etc. They are more responsible on the equipment and such than the driver.
     
  11. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Are they?

    Who is tasked with daily inspection of a CMV? They are responsible for an annual and maintaining records, a driver is with the equipment daily.

    A driver has the ability and the right to demand deficient equipment be repaired.
     
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