Help turbo please

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by ProfessorSwift, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. ProfessorSwift

    ProfessorSwift Bobtail Member

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    "Here's the thing that everyone, no matter the experience level, needs to keep in mind. When you are behind that wheel, you are in charge. You are the one who makes the calls. You are the one that determines when it is unsafe to drive. The FMCSA give you the legal right to make those calls."


    where do I find such a statement to back up this statement of yours. I tried telling this to my trainer and he said unless I could show a clear guideline from the FMCSA that I was lying to him.

    thanks in advance.
     
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  3. The_Rev

    The_Rev Light Load Member

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    Ask him this.. if you get pulled over by DOT and they audit your logs, who will be in the hot seat? The trainer or the one driving the rig?
     
  4. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    When I was with a trainer, I had my logs checked by a DOT officer and I had a fourteen hour violation from the day before, he explained the deal to me and just advised me how it all worked. No ticket, but he was allowing for the fact that I was in training. :wave:
    S.O. said that in that case he would have gotten the ticket. He says that THE ONE THAT GETS THE TICKET ON THE SPOT IS ALWAYS THE DRIVER.
     
  5. Rawlco

    Rawlco Medium Load Member

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    You cannot be required to operate a vehicle illegally. You are the only person who can refuse the load. If you are fired for refusing to perform an unsafe job, you are protected by OSHA. For a transportation job you are protected under the Surface Transportation Assistance Act (STAA) of 1982, section 405. Under section 405 an employer is prohibited from firing, demoting, or in any other way discriminating against an employee who: 1) Refuses to operate a vehicle, which fails to meet federal, state, or local safety regulations. 2) Reports a violation of vehicle safety requirements. 3) Reports that he or she has been exposed to significant hazards. 4) Testifies or otherwise participates in safety-related proceedings.

    To be covered by STAA's whistleblower protections the worker must report the vehicle's condition to an employer, or DOT, or State or local police. If the worker violates safety regulations by driving the substandard vehicle, he or she is not protected by the law. You must also stay on the job until the problem is reported to the employer, walking off the job does not count. You must notify the employer when you stop work, not after the fact. Some of the common issues are: 1) Refusing to violate Hours of Service to complete a load. 2) Refusing to speed to complete a load. 3) Refusing to operate without proper placards for Hazmat loads. 4) Lack of safety inspections or uncorrected mechanical problems. 5) Lack of required safety equipment, including lights. (note: clearance lights don't count, only stop and turn) 6) Driver illness. An ill driver must present a valid reason (A specific condition like "I have a migraine headache that affects my driving") and the employer cannot demand that the ill driver operate a commercial vehicle. 7) Laws covering overweight vehicles, speeding, overlength, or overweight vehicles, including state and local laws.

    If you have been fired or demoted due to refusal to operate an unsafe vehicle then you may be eligible for back wages and reinstatement. How to file: Contact your local OSHA office. Look in the phone book under United States Government - Department of Labor - Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Document the condition with copies of Vehicle Condition reports or bills of lading that show your case.

    The above information is paraphrased from chapter 34 of Trucking: Tractor-Trailer Driver, 3rd edition by Alice Adams. I take no responsibility for mistakes or misrepresentations by the original author.

    Show this to your boss, most empoyers are scared of OSHA. :wink:
     
  6. Truck Vet

    Truck Vet <strong>NRA AMA Libertarian</strong>

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    Something to think about, most drivers that
    threaten their employers with Osha, DOT or
    whatever end up on the [bad] list. People on
    this list have a rough like. They will do things like
    go from Edison NJ to Brooklyn back to Edison
    back to Brooklyn and so on. You will wish you
    were driveing illegally in the midwest somewhere.
    If you drive for a bad company my suggestion is to find
    a better job. That job may be flipping burgers
    I don't know. But I would rather flip burgers than
    get on that list.
     
    snowblind Thanks this.
  7. TurboTrucker

    TurboTrucker Road Train Member

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    §392.14 Hazardous conditions; extreme caution.

    Extreme caution in the operation of a commercial motor vehicle shall be exercised when hazardous conditions, such as those caused by snow, ice, sleet, fog, mist, rain, dust, or smoke, adversely affect visibility or traction. Speed shall be reduced when such conditions exist. If conditions become sufficiently dangerous, the operation of the commercial motor vehicle shall be discontinued and shall not be resumed until the commercial motor vehicle can be safely operated. Whenever compliance with the foregoing provisions of this rule increases hazard to passengers, the commercial motor vehicle may be operated to the nearest point at which the safety of passengers is assured.


    FMCSA - 392.14

    The guidance clears up all confusion as to who makes the call on this issue;

    §392.14 Hazardous Conditions; Extreme Caution

    Question 1: Who makes the determination, the driver or carrier, that conditions are sufficiently dangerous to warrant discontinuing the operation of a CMV?

    Guidance: Under this section, the driver is clearly responsible for the safe operation of the vehicle and the decision to cease operation because of hazardous conditions.


    FMCSA - Interpretation for 392.14
     
  8. hemisareslow

    hemisareslow Bobtail Member

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    Professor Swift...what Terminal Were You Based Out Of..
     
  9. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    That would be a good case for phone call to the safety department. Sounds like a trainer that needs to get a little attitude adjustment.
     
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