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What's wrong with HHG miles?

Discussion in 'Trucking Jobs' started by cpape, Aug 10, 2010.

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  1. cpape

    cpape Desk Jockey

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    I never understand why drivers are so incensed about getting paid on HHG miles. It is just a system for standardizing mileage. It makes trucking on a large scale possible. A large shipper like Home Depot is able to use a standard number of miles to compare all rates. Because the shipper is using that set of miles, carriers use the same so we don't have to have 2 different mileage bases.

    Do you think would get paid more if your company was using practical mileage? Probably not...they would be paying you 5% less per mile. It is all arbitrary. What matters is the number of dollars you take home at the end of the year compared to the number of days you spend away from home. For independent contractors, it is about revenue vs. expenses. If you work for a good company they will keep your rate per mile high, your empty miles low, and pay a good fuel surcharge.

    My point is that drivers should get over the idea that they are being shorted miles. It simply is not the case. If the gov't implemented a standard mileage base that was 110% of HHG, you can bet your rates per mile would all drop by 10% (or 5% if you company is on practical miles).
     
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  3. Lilbit

    Lilbit Road Train Member

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    The problem with HHG miles is that they are at least 10% below what you actually drive to deliver the load. Drivers get short changed enough out there as it is.

    It's a heck of a lot more than 5% that a driver is losing out on.
     
  4. cpape

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    You are missing the point...it doesn't matter. Some company could pay off the hub, but their mileage rate would be far less that the company paying HHG. Drivers would be better off if all companies paid HHG because then you could compare apples to apples. HHG is a method for standardization. Supply and demand determines a fair rate of pay.
     
  5. passingthru69

    passingthru69 Road Train Member

    I think what alot of drivers are not understanding is the postal zone entries that are inputted in the system to start a rate quote.
    Plus many companies may order a trk. with 11/24.5 tires, They come in and the shop changes them to 11/22.5 and not change the speedo ratio.

    Plus the drivers may take a little bit of a different rte. and it adds up little by little.

    Now if they saw the mileages that are quoted to me and then see the real miles they would really have a full load in the back of their pants.

    The company guys where I'm at can log a point to point on their logs and get the miles, but most of the times they don't unless it is a big difference.

    I have run hub miles years ago,but I ran LTL in the Boston area.
    So it helped me out.

    Like you posted cpape, some people can not see the forest because of the trees.
     
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  6. cpape

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    Thank you sir! Standardization is the truckers friend. Apples to apples...don't have to rely on those truthful recruiters. By the way, I bet you have some helacious OOR miles with that big rig!
     
  7. passingthru69

    passingthru69 Road Train Member

    Oh yes the miles can be a killer for us some times.
    Even when I'm mty. there are times with my setup I do not get to run back the short way..
    It's bad when you have to run say 200 miles to the west when you need to go east, but can not get under a bridge/ road const. etc. Then you go north then back east. Then north and east. Can take 1 or 2 if not more days some trips.
    But that is the life of heavy haul.
     
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  8. fr8monkey

    fr8monkey Road Train Member

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    Cpape,one of the problems with not getting practical miles (I do understand the standardization and the apples to apples comparison,especially when it comes to billing the customer)is the time differential especially on a long rt,IE: (a run I am currently on)Plaiveiw Tx (empty) to El Paso Tx to Romeoville IL the miles given to me by my company for the run 389 empty miles (I went a different way) there way was all state/us hwys thru Mountains and desert total time per google 7.5 hrs my way 430 miles flat state hwys and interstate plus 9.5 mpg. 7.5 hrs.El Paso to Romeoville there miles 1403 on and off the interstate/state rts and us rts.Per google maps 1684 all Interstate am averaging 8.4 mpg (10 ton in the box) and the fuel rt they gave me .........all on the interstate.My point is is when I accepted the run it looked like 1800 miles x 55 mph= 33 hr in reality 2114 x55 = 38.5 hr a 5.5 hr time differential.Now I have done this run before but if I hadn't and was tight on hrs when I accepted it could have run out because of not knowing the practical miles (thus possibly driving illegal,being late to the customer etc,etc.....) just sayn' maybe we need the practical miles for our planning purposes and then the miles being paid and that the customer is being billed.(I know,crazy idea huh!):biggrin_2556:
     
  9. Markk9

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    You the truck driver are not paid by the mile, you are paid by the load, trip or what ever word you want to use. The company bases their rate and your pay on miles between point A and point B.

    YOU ARE DOING PIECE WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mark

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  10. striker

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    For most loads, my company already has a set rate for over 200 cities within the 9 states we normally operate. Occasioanlly, they will then give a specific rate based on actual miles from either our yard or the railroad to the destination address (based on total miles calculated via Microsoft Streets and Trips).

    I can always tell when they give a specific rate as my pay increases slightly for that load. I know, based on my percentage rate, how much I will make for certain destinations. Grand Junction, Co. pays me about $250.00, Delta, Co. pays me $260.00, Albuquerque, NM pays me about $360, Gillette, Eyo. pays me $340. However, there are some customers in Albuquerque that pay me $380 becuase they are based on specific miles and thus the company gets more money.
     
  11. cpape

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    Excellent point, fr8monkey. When drivers and I are discussing routing and timing we always use practical miles. I use 50 mph no matter what road they are on. Let's just say I would prefer they are farther along than I figured. Currently we don't use any mobile comm, so I get to be the routing/fueling guide as well. A good example (code word for lenghty example) is one of my drivers trying to reduce his OOR miles to ensure he continues to receive .01/mi bonus. He was on a run from Dubuque, IA to Washington, PA. Practical route is the IN-OH-PA toll roads...that is too rich for my blood. Next practical route is 61S-74E-70E. I believe that was about 100 mi longer. He ended up going 20E-90E-294E-80E-30E-33S-Columbus, OH-70E. He claims it took him 2 hours longer. So the big struggle...my fuel money or his time. If his OOR is too high he will lose his bonus and/or his next raise. Essentially, I am paying him additional to do things my way. I guess I forgot option #3...buy a truck. Coincidentally, my drivers only option is to accept the load I choose for them.
     
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