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Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by linden, Mar 13, 2007.

  1. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    True, it devalues the vehicle somewhat. But I have always taken the attitude that at the end of my time using a vehicle, I could park it in the backyard and do nothing with it and it won't cost me anything. If you run your business right, you make your money running the vehicle and whatever it brings as a used vehicle is just gravy on the side. I never buy anything worrying about what the resale value will be at some point down the line. I get the right machine for me and make the money using it. If i sell it or give it away when I am done with it, it shouldn't matter. If he is interested in getting the most truck he can for his dollars, and isn't concerned with resale value, then a truck with a 9 speed will cut his initial cost, and will be capable of doing anything that a truck with a 10 speed is capable of.
     
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  3. camo

    camo Light Load Member

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  4. linden

    linden Bobtail Member

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    Ok, I don’t seem to be getting forks to understand what I’m attempting to do.
    If and when I buy a truck it will be for a relative Newbie, and will be a starter truck.
    I want to get one that is road worthy and will give maybe a year or two of service without too many problems. The present intention is it will probably be used to haul flatbeds, so that is how I’m thinking about the specs. That might change. I AM NOT CONSIDERING RESALE. Burky seems to be one of the few who does not think of selling a truck before he buys it.
    I don’t expect it to be completely trouble free, actually there has never been a machine that is.
    I have talked to several company reps who will accept an older truck (within reason) that is in good shape. I think it will have to probably be a 1996, 1997 or newer.
    A local mechanic has agreed to work on the truck in order to get it into good shape including engine, body, and interior. He will do the work and I will buy the parts. A local dealer will inspect it to make sure it meets all DOT requirements.
    I don't believe a new driver should necessarily have to drive a crappy truck, but getting used to the eccentricities of an older truck may be beneficial to one learning the ropes.
    I think that the drop out rate for new truckers probably exceeds sixty percent, so I think it should be at least one to two years before we start thinking about a new or newer rig. Don’t think there’s much sense in buying a truck that I might have to worry about resale after a few months use.
    I was originally thinking Volvo as a 2000 or 2001 with a VED can be had for a relatively cheap price.
    Now I’m thinking along the lines (hypothetically of course) of a ‘97 or ‘98 KW, Mack, Pete, or a 2000 or ‘01 Volvo or maybe even an International. It would have a 430 HP or more (?) Engine. At present my preference is Cummins with Detroit being second but I still haven’t completely ruled out a Volvo VED. I think Cat is a good engine but the parts appear to be more (even too) expensive. It would have to have a 220-240 inch wheelbase and a mid or flattop sleeper of at least sixty inches. A 10 or 13 speed transmission would be preferred, but a 9 speed may have to do as there are many advertised at low prices.
    Then there is the headache rack, chains, binders, radio, TV, fridge, microwave (?) and whatnot to be considered. I also want to think about an inexpensive APU. .
    The last items mentioned don’t necessarily have to be too cheap as they can be transferred to a newer truck.
    Well enough about a starter truck, it seems it will be July or August before I’ll get this project started. Maybe I can get started sooner on the APU. I sure want to get it completed before next winter sets in. Let’s see what happens.
    Thanks again for all the good advice.
     
  5. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Check out the for sale section. There are a couple trucks ready to go flat bedding for sale. One of them happens to be mine. :D All I do is clean my personal stuff out and you put yours in. Every thing related to the truck goes. Even the inverter and CB.
     
  6. linden

    linden Bobtail Member

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    Brickman; I looked at your truck and it looks pretty good.
    In three or four months when I make the final decision to buy you may be hearing from me.
    Although I'm a pretty easy going guy, I'm not so nice when I get ready to bargain. Guess that more than four years in the Far East and SE Asia as a civilian probably caused that.
     
  7. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Today I might be a little more like you. 3 or 4 months from now and I still have it................

    :D :D :D

    I've spent a lot of money on maint, but thats probably why its been such a reliable truck for me. In over 300,000 miles I've had it, its only been on the hook once. All the rest of the work I've done to it, I was able to catch in time to do it at home.
    At 1,099,000 miles its an experienced freight hauler.
     
  8. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Many 9-speeds can be converted to 13, it's the same base transmission with a splitter added, I much prefer a 13 but have been stuck in a 10 for a long time now, it's not too hard for me to switch from 10 to a 13 but others have more trouble. I don't know about the cost.

    The 9 had better ratio coverage than my current 10 but it was a straight 9, I don't know about OD. Sounds like you are careful and will take your time buying what you need, that's good. I drove nine speeds for the first two years I drove with the exception of 3 weeks with a Spicer 10 speed and a few days driving a 13. I wouldn't buy a Spicer 10 speed either, the nickname for that one is 'rock crusher'.It was by far the most miserable transmission to shift of any I have driven.


    AJ
     
  9. linden

    linden Bobtail Member

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    One learns a lot by doing a little research.
    I found a considerable amount of 2004's '5's & '6's for sale out there with 9 speed transmissions. Didn't look at the 07's.
    They were mostly Peterbilts, Freightliners, and Volvos.
    That probably is an indication that companies are still spec'ing fleet purchases with that transmission.
    However one wonders why the price of older model 9 speeds is so much lower than say 10 or more speeds. Found four 1998 models with 9 and OD that were listed at 4K, or so under similar trucks with a straight 10.
    I think that manufactures profits had something to do with their pushing certain products.
    Oh well, live and learn. Must look around to insure one gets the most for their money.
    Thanks again for your thoughts and incites. Appreciate any and all info.
     
  10. linden

    linden Bobtail Member

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    Went back and took a look at the new 07's with 9 speeds advertised.
    Found Freights, KW, & Petes listed.
    Maybe the 9 speeds are coming back.
     
  11. PackRatTDI

    PackRatTDI Licensed to Ill

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    I bet if you looked at the build sheet, those 9 speeds will probably be Eaton RTOC-XX909 or RTLOC-XX909-T2 transmissions. Those are basically Eaton RTLO-XX913 transmissions with a few parts missing, namely the air lines and control valves that allow you to operate the splitter gear. The splitter gear unit is there, you just can't use it. The RTOC models have the splitter gearset permanently set to "Hi" (direct), so it's a 9 speed and your top gear ratios are 7th (1.00) and 8th (0.73 O/D). Now in the RTLOC, there's a control module that automatically "splits" 9th gear between 8th Lo (0.86 O/D) and 8th Hi (0.73 O/D). You can't split any other gears in high range and you have no direct control of the splitting, the control module does it.

    When you want to convert the transmission to a 13 speed, you buy a kit from Eaton that includes the necessary components (airlines, 13 speed shiftknob, etc) and VIOLA, you have a 13 speed. If you have the RTLOC, you'll lose the automatic gear splitting capability when you convert it to a full 13 speed.

    You also change your overall ratio coverage when you convert a 9 speed to a 13 speed. In the 9 speed, the underdrive (1.17 ratio) splitter is locked out and the overall ratio coverage is 14.38. In 13 speed mode, the splitter is always engaged in "Lo" while in low range, that's why when you range shift from 4th to 5th, you're already in 5th Lo. The overall ratio coverage in the 13 speed is 16.86.

    Werner is equipping it's trucks with the convertible 9 speeds. Stevens was doing so at one point but has switched back to 10 speeds.

    Eaton also sells a kit that you can bolt a splitter gear to a direct drive RT-XX609 9 speeds and have a 13 speed with an 0.87 O/D gear, which is what their old RTO-XX513 and XX613 transmissions were. Now the literature only mentions mating that kit to a DIRECT drive 9 speed but I suppose it's possible to bolt it to a 9 speed overdrive and thereby re-creating their old RTOO double O/D transmission. The RTOO had 3 O/D ratios, 0.87, 0.73 and 0.62.

    But with the RTOC/RTLOC transmissions, the conversion can be done with minimal downtime and labor (I'm guessing a matter of a few hours), while the resale value increases (Eaton says up to $3k more for a 13 speed equipped truck over a standard 9 or 10).
     
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