Interesting chain of events over the past couple of weeks, caused me to pause and question "what" the outcome would be, in the event of a DOT inspection.
I understand how things work when running team, during an inspection.
BUT.... what about a driver transporting another driver to the terminal? In a day cab, with both drivers sitting in their seats. (read it all before you respond)
Riding in the jump seat...ON DUTY, not driving. I had just dropped my truck off at another location, and was riding back with the other driver.
Let's assume the driver was pulled over for an inspection. Both logs will be looked at, I know this.
As a team, the driver would be responsible for the results of the inspection outcome. Since the other was in the bunk.
But how would the LEO view the above situation ? Since both occupants of the vehicle are in an on duty status. Would both be held responsible for the "condition" of the truck ? Thus, obtaining points on both their CSA scores.
I know we could parse words, such as on duty "driver" and "operator". I don't want to do that.
And I'm sure I can FIND a LEO that will translate it to read both "employees" are responsible for the condition of the vehicle. Just like I can find one that will say, only the driver is responsible.
I just want to know what IS the real regs/law with regard to this situation.
My money is on there not being "clear" regulation on this. And it being left up to the LEO to find his own outcome.
What's the regs/law here ????
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by dancnoone, Nov 5, 2010.
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Since if you are inspected, the ticket will be written in only the driver's name, I think it is clear that it will be on the driver only.
And what the hell is LEO??? -
Law Enforcement Officer
BTW, if a team is cited for log book violations. The ticket will be written to the person who's book was in violation. Driver or not.
This opens up a whole nuther can of worms to consider. -
The one who is dispatched to the truck is the one responsible. It's your responsibility as a driver to inspect your truck..., not the passenger. If you are dispatched on that truck it falls on your shoulder . That's my guess. Since you're only transporting another driver in a day cab , you are the one dispatched so it's your issue. As far as teams go, I would say that both drivers are responsible whether one is off duty or not because it's your job as drivers to check the truck ...both drivers on a team operation.
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LMAO...that would work. If "someone" was dispatched on the truck.
This was a temp deal. We just grabbed the first loaded truck we got to in the morning.
Although you're technically a "passenger". You have no rider pass. So you're required to carry a log book, and log on line 4.
In the event of an inspection....that book will be looked at.
Just guessing and answering my own question correctly or not. I think the only "violation" or point assessment that I would have to be concerned with, would be a potential log book violation. -
Yes you still need your logbook. You don't need passenger authorization because you're a company driver. You are just on duty... you could also be off duty as well. If you are not under dispatch and don't have any reason to be on duty.. ex: you bobtailed a tractor to another shop and told to wait to get a ride back... "you're done for the day"...so you log off duty. Other driver picks you up, he's driving.... so why would you have to log on duty? Makes no sense unless you are still under company "orders". You don't need a rider pass because you're already a driver for that company and possess a valid CDL and are already a company employee.
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When a driver who works for a company is riding in a company vehicle, even if off duty, they are required to have a log book on duty not driving.
The only way to be off duty in a commercial vehicle is in the sleeper berth. -
Cause you're in a company vehicle. Being transported to a company owned location (where my car was) 293 miles away. Where you will return to work, the next morning.
Had the other driver became sick or impaired. I would have been expected to take over, and get us to the terminal. -
Yeah ok I guess I should look for my fmcsr one of these days or get a new one. Been a while since I flipped the pages.
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Can't he just go down to line 3 or 4 and change status?
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