Iowa police comparing logbooks against Pilot Rewards Cards?

An officer of the law does not have as his task to "preserve public safety." That is a complete fallacy. Their job is to respond to crimes. In such response, the crime has already been committed. Sure, they serve as a deterrent to crime by their very presence. But if we carry your assertion to its logical end point, child molesters would be shot on sight rather than run through the legal system and turned loose on our children again. Wouldn't "public safety" be better "preserved" by an instant death penalty rather than assuming a person can be "corrected" by serving time in a "correctional facility" and then let go?

Invading my privacy in absolutely no way "preserves public safety." In the traditional "American" thinking, I would first have to be shown to threaten public safety to be subject to seizure and inspection of my private information. Simply driving a large vehicle as an occupation does not automatically qualify me as a threat.

 

I have no problem using a fuel receipt to prove that I am not lying on my log book. I always get two....one to send in and one for my own records.

But IMO, producing a receipt and giving them access to your rewards card are two separate things entirely. One is a simple piece of paper...a receipt. The other has information that is not any of their business.

Regardless what any court says, I will never agree to give any officer access to anything in my wallet besides my CDL. Period. It's not right. I'll tell them where I fueled at...I'll show a receipt....they can call them....whatever....but I will not consent to them invading my privacy without just cause. Just because they don't believe me is not just cause in my books.

A cop is a human, too...they are subject to the same vindictive behavior as any normal person. Pissed off cause him and his wife are fighting, so he's gonna be a prick to me etc... Just like my wife's boss this morning. Seven in the morning and he gets pulled over by some sheriff deputy. Gets accused of driving drunk and subjected to a sobriety test. Wanted to search his car etc... After some arguing and calling of attorney he was let go. But supposedly the deputy was in a foul mood and it was obvious he was gonna take it out on someone. Why? Who knows....but I will not allow someone who has a badge and authority just violate what few rights I have left.

If I am in the wrong with something, I have no problem taking my lumps. But just because they are cops doesn't mean I'm their dog they can kick around and treat however they please.

 

lilillill got it right. I live in a country where the thinking is different. I find it impossible to see that my argument is wrong (because of the conditioning I have received), and although I understand all of the words in the posts that don't agree with mine, I don't understand the mentality that produces them.

That said, I'm quite happy to admit that I don't know it all, and that your (Injun) POV has some value, and is clearly right for the society in which you live. The only thing I would question is why your law enforcement holds a different viewpoint. Do they actively seek to give themselves more de facto power, and control over the population? And is this a trait of law enforcement in general?

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"If you're not a cop, you're little people."

-Bladerunner

 

Not all, but many police seem to live in an 'us against them' world, them being non-cops...

 

Your more in fear of the US Govt. than the terrorists we are fighting?

 

Yes...Plus, our govt is the reason we even have to worry about terrorists in the first place...Make a list of what the terrorists have done to us and our govt, I bet the govt side is 100 times longer and longer lasting issues...

 

Wow! How many shooters were on the grassy knoll?

 

We are the product of our environment. My wife has been here in the states for going on 4 years now. In that time, she has changed her stance on a lot of issues--like owning pistols. In fact, a few years ago, we went down to the Sheriff's department where she actually filled out an application for a concealed pistol license. She was denied due to the fact that she is a resident alien, and not a US citizen. But when she was still in Canada, there was no way she'd have ever considered even owning a pistol, because in her mind, only cops were allowed to have those and they were for killing people.

Now if I could only get her to see through the fallacy of Universal Health Care.

 

In the UK we were taught to trust our police. In Canada we are taught to respect them. I have never been taught to fear them, and I hope that I will never have to.

I'm not stupid, though, and my trust and respect only come from my belief that the police serve me as a member of a generally law-abiding society, and are there, as Injun pointed out, as a deterrent to those who would undermine society's laws and values for their own convenience.

For the record, I don't believe that law-breakers should be shot on sight or any of the other stuff that Injun wondered about.

I also have something of a problem with the police/DOT shaking the tree to see what falls out, but am realistic enough to understand that without this power they are never going to catch up to those who choose to fly under the radar as a matter of course. If a driver is blatantly avoiding a scale by driving down the next road, in full view of that scale, is it unfair of the DOT to chase him down and find out what he is doing and why he chooses not subject himself to scrutiny?

 

It's this type of insanity it has come to in this industry, that makes me look to the E.O.B.R. like it could be a good thing, but even I know, no sooner we all get black boxes, the quicker we will see all kinds of "Driving Time" and "On-duty" time swaps by these idiots over ruling us........