Water in Fuel

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by kimeyers, Mar 24, 2008.

  1. kimeyers

    kimeyers Bobtail Member

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    I can't pull fuel from the trucks and have it analyzed as the Employer closed the facility and moved the trucks to another state--in January. I'm with the government, we move slow ;). I guess I could pull some fuel from the supplier's tanks, but employees state that the supplier has had work done on the tanks since this time. The supplier denies that it is in anyway responsible, or that there are any other trucking companies complaining (of course, I'm talking to the President of the company and can't talk to the folks on the ground without his permission or his lawyers).

    Here's another question related to the case. Instead of investigating which driver was allegedly (again, I don't believe there was sabotage, but assuming for a second that the Employer isn't full of crap) dumping water in the tank, the Employer just laid off 30+ drivers. That seems to raise a few red flags for me--stuff that I would like to use at trial if we get there but not sure how to prove it.

    The drivers say that there is no way a fellow driver would screw with another driver's livelihood and sabotage the trucks. This makes sense, and it also seems like common sense that the Employer would make an effort to identify the employee who was deliberately damaging the Employer's equipment. What do you think?
     
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  3. bagged

    bagged Light Load Member

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    Honestly in the world we live in today I do not think that some people think about any one but their selves. I have heard of guys sabotaging equipment of other people and not thinking it would lead to unempoyment. It's the old saynig one bad apple ruins them all.
     
  4. Muleskinner

    Muleskinner <strong>"Shining Beacon of Chickenlights"</strong>

    I think what Bagged said is VERY true....However...this sounds a lot fishier than employee tampering..I would continue to dig if I were in your postion and had the time to do so...It'll fall in place as you go.And I don't care what the fuel supplier says....I'll just about bet he's lying in some little way even if he's not the full cause..Why have the work done on the tanks?I would be curious about that and would want to know the TRUTH why...not just maintenance or upgrade..If you work for an agency with arrest or subpeona powers,get a warrant for his customer reciepts ,scope his customer records and then ask them one on one and see if ANY of them had water problems.If they had trouble they would be GLAD to vent to you.Ask his larger customers mechanics before you ask the one who actually purchases the bulk supply as that person may have a "sweetheart deal" going with the fuel supplier.It doesn't sound right at all to me.If you run into a dead end with the supplier ,then were there benefits to the employer to play the victim prior to shutting down and moving to another state?Did he stand to lose something if he just laid the employees off and then moved?Are the employees now ineligible for unemployment benefits?Was there a Union involved that the employer didn't want to face and had to act as if they struck first to gain public and private sentiment prior to his move?Lots and lots of questions.
     
  5. kimeyers

    kimeyers Bobtail Member

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    How easy is this? The problem is that the Employer is using the alleged sabotage as a justification for closing the facility in January. I could check the fuel now, but its been three months. However, if such a test is simple and inexpensive, I don't understand why the Employer wouldn't have done such a test initially to determine if it was really employee sabotage.

    this is exactly the kind of information I need, especially if I have to go to trial on this matter. If I know that a test costs $5, and can be picked up at Eckards--that is perfect evidence for use in cross examination of their witnesses. Thanks a million.
     
  6. muddywtrs

    muddywtrs Bobtail Member

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    is there any other way to get water in fuel system other than it being in the fuel? running 379 pete w/c15 ascert and having problems with water getting in fuel filters after heavy rain. thanks
     
  7. Prairie Boy

    Prairie Boy Road Train Member

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    The suction line in the fuel tanks does not go all the way to the bottom, therefore it's quite possible to carry a fair bit of water. Water is heavier than fuel and will stay at the bottom of a tank.

    The worst time to fuel a truck is with 3 hours from the time that a supplier refilled a fuel storage tank as the flow pressure coming into the tank agitates all the crud and water with the fuel. It take a while for all that settle to the bottom.
     
  8. Prairie Boy

    Prairie Boy Road Train Member

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    It doesn;t take 20 gallons to plug the filter but the tanks themselves may be able to hold that amount as the water stays on the bottom of the tank until enough of it accumulates and the suction stand pipe sucks up the water.

    Water won't accumulate at the top of the filter because it's heavier than fule and will go to the bottom. That's why a lot of filters have a drain valve on the bottom of them.
     
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