Yearly Profit After Expenses...

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  1. hawkjr

    hawkjr Road Train Member

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    What's reasonable goal for profits after truck payments, driver pay, road taxes, maintenance, etc??? i know its your own show and your responsible for paying yourself but its an business and you dont pay yourself all your profits...

    i was doing calculations and if i dont have a major breakdown or fine i was looking at this rate coming out of a local lumber yard going north and give or take i was looking at an 8 to 10K profit... too litttle or think i might of missed a thing or two??
     
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  3. Trugreen

    Trugreen Bobtail Member

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    It depends on what kind of profit your talking about. If that's what you saved after adding to your maintance funds and paid everything or is that what you had to live off of for a year?
     
  4. hawkjr

    hawkjr Road Train Member

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    in a 12 month period after you pay your bills every month, you pay yourself (example a .45 cents a mile or a percentage of a load), pay road taxes, after maintance costs such as tires and pm's....... i would post my calculations but i did it on my netbook which i leave in my truck over the weekend....

    after a 1200 dollars truck/trailer payment, 800 for insurance and 400 saved for taxes a month, which is my fixed costs... 0.45 for my pay and 0.15 for maintenance.. and fuel based on a 6 mpg and 4.00 a gallon...

    i havent gotten into the deep grit but here's my basics, after all this and some more things which again i have on my netbook i came up with about 8k to 10k profit if everything goes well which in this business you can never count on...
     
  5. Unclegrumpy

    Unclegrumpy Light Load Member

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    I try to get it as close to zero profit as possible, I don't like paying any tax than I have to.
     
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  6. REDD

    REDD The Legend

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    This statement here yells the word failure to me.

    Your business comes first. Sometimes you can pay yourself, other times you can't.
     
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  7. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    Will it be leased on or running your authority? Where can you get a truck and trailer financed at that payment? Unless you are paying alot down anything with that kind of payment will be too old to finance. What kind of trailer in what freight lanes? Did you factor in fuel, major repairs, maitenance, tires, misc, payments, insurance, license & permits and taxes into your expenses?

    I am thinking about getting back into trucking again. I posted some info here:
    http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...wner-operator/144888-my-cpm-1-05-what-am.html.

    I've been out for several years so I have little feel for the present market. I have owned two trucks. In addition, I have spent quite a bit of time looking at this and putting together those figures. If you stay around $2.00 per mile I don't see how you can stay in business and have anything for your trouble.
     
  8. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    If you look at my other post at my 1.60 per mile I was paying road expenses and taxes out of my $800.00 per week (.40 per mile). That was just worst case. If you stay at 2.00 per mile you should be able pay yourself enough to cover your taxes, pay the road expenses and bank a little cash that's not reseved for repairs and maintenance.
     
  9. heyns57

    heyns57 Road Train Member

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    I paid $4,000 down on a new tractor in 1973, and sold it for $4,950 in 1982. During those years, the tractor earned $5,000 annually in spite of the fuel crises, deregulation, recessions, layoffs, overhauls, depreciation, taxes, etc. I pulled company dry vans hauling auto parts except for eight months when I pulled a reefer during a recession. I usually received a check for the tractor and a check as the driver. I saved enough for the down payment on another new one, but $5,000 annually is not near enough, even way back then. I think the OP is way low on what a tractor should kick back today.
     
  10. hawkjr

    hawkjr Road Train Member

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    sometimes you can and cant??? with all due respect sir im not trying to pick a fight but that bs.... i would be my own employee, i can't imagine telling someone that they will not be getting paid this week if they put in the work... now if you disagree that they CPM is to high, then so well be it, but for me not to pay myself and just grab money out the truck account when ever i got bills to pay is beyond me.... again i respect your opinion but strongly disagree...

    @BigJohn..under my own authority, i like landstar but i see the to many horror stories, unless i can find an older Pete with an Flaptop the one i'm looking at right now is an 05 with an overhaul for 50K..... Trailer Was 14K.. I have an great score and i personally think me getting financed shouldn't be a problem, but i could be wrong... I have 15K down for a down payment on the Truck and 5K on the Trailer...running lanes is I-95/I-81, yes i will be aware of tolls and so on... and i plan to put of 5k yearly for fuel & road taxes, and licenses, thats a rough estimate as i assume it might be more or hell even less...
     
  11. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    I am certainly not an expert. There are many on here who are smarter business men and better drivers. I think it is possible to bank $20,000.00 in a year. But I know it is just as easy to lose that much in a year.

    My first truck (1980) on the first trip, brand new, twisted the pump shaft off 60-70 miles west of Gallup. Hundreds to be towed to truck stop. Get up the next morning and there is the cat shop 200 yards away, wrecker driver knew it was a 380 Cat. Looked in the phone book called another wrecker company that would not rob me. The same old 50's model Mack showed up and fleeced me again. Caterpillar on strike, 10 days to repair. Payments and insurance $90.00 a day. Greenhorn still wet behind the ears, what was I thinking. It took me 2 monthes and 3 visits before I found the Cat house in Cheyenne and got it to run right. Until then was getting passed by freight companies running doubles with 270 Cummins. Anyway as anyone with experience can guess, the long term success of this Great American Dream was doomed from the start. I'm not sure with 30 years more wisdom and 6 years more experience I could have made it work.

    I guess the moral of the story is think it over well, be ready to invest yourself and your money, have cash or credit to pull you through the problems that will arise and be sure that you can survive if it should fail.

    I still believe in the Great American Dream. I believe bigger reward for bigger risk. But I am realistic and my record is 1 failure and 1 success.
     
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