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ICCC/MC requirement

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Passin Thru, Jul 9, 2007.

  1. Jul 9, 2007 #1
    Passin Thru

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    Maybe some of you guys know the real answer to this. Where is the dividing line for ICC/MC requirement. Is it 10001 lbs for a pickup truck (say a 3/4 ton Ford or Chevy) or is it 26001 lbs for a 3/4 ton with a trailer. I can't figure it out but, if say I want to pull someones boat weighing 10000 lbs with my 7300 lb diesel, am I legal if I do it for hire w/no ICC/MC. Ive read the law both ways and cant figure it out but Im not going to go thru all that logging, inspection, insurance, hazmat fencing and pulling on the scales.
     
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  3. Jul 10, 2007 #2
    MGASSEL

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    I pulled a load of motorcycles From KC MO back to Colorado on a flatbed trailer with my dually I probaly weighted about 20k and I did not stop at scales or anything.

    I did not have a Icc or mc #.

    I would say if you are not doing this all of the time do not worry about the icc or mc number.

    It is just too much hassle and bs to go through for an occasional trip.

    I also used my dually for business puropses to repo cars and never had a problem. Just do not xxxx off the wrong cop and you will be fine. I never had to stop at scales for this either.
     
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  4. Jul 10, 2007 #3
    Brickman

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    Back when I was trying to do car hauling with a pickup and wedge trailer I found out that how the matter is enforced is different by state.

    The law reads (as I understand it, had it explained to me by cops) over 10,000 lbs used in a commercial application (charging for services) that all applicable laws must be followed. Other wise the law is at 26,001 lbs for things like personel use.

    WY and FL are two states that I know that does enforce the 10,000 lb law. And they don't play nice usually about it. In WY DOT's eyes the law is the law, tough luck. CO doesn't care about hotshot opperations, or at least they didn't a few yrs ago when I was hauling cars.
     
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  5. Jul 10, 2007 #4
    MGASSEL

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    hey brickman

    As long as you do not pee in the wrong cops wheeties in Colorado they will not enforce much on the ICC or Mc # puc etc.

    There was a repo guy towing in the Denver area and he pee'd in the wrong cops wheeties they inpounded his truck and the repo that was hooked to it for not having his PUC license. I never had one due to the fact that the wrecker was only a tool to assist I did not charge for a tow I only charged a flat fee for the pickup.
     
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  7. Jul 11, 2007 #5
    Brickman

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    MG I was more referring to hotshot. I don't have any personel experience with a tow truck.
     
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  8. Jul 11, 2007 #6
    MGASSEL

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    yep I was just offering that as an example not to pee in the wrong cops wheeties.

    I see all of the hotshots here most of them have a usdot number just because some companies require them to have them..

    But If I was the op if he gets pulled over just say I am borrowing my friends boat.

    Now if he wants to keep hauling things he should probaly get eveything that he needs.
     
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  9. Jul 11, 2007 #7
    Trooper One

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    If the trailer is rated over 10K, and the truck trailer in combo weighs over 26,000 for interstate use and for hire, you fall under FMCSR and a Class A license. If its for private / personal use no regs req'd! Except the class A

    In CT if the combo is over 18,000 lbs it falls under FMCSR for intrastate.

    This usually doesn't apply to many except the landscaping companies with smaller Kubotas or skidsteers.
     
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  10. Jul 12, 2007 #8
    Passin Thru

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    Thanks, we just pull an ocasional boat around but I knew the agricultural rules. I can haul any livestock or farm-ranch related machinery and am exempt form ICC-MC as long as I'm under 26001 in any state as we've hauled hay and grain and livestock for years. Don't run the Fl. inspection tho. Man they get mad. Saw a guy do that and get a Royal spanking! think it was $2500. Se ya on I 81 I 87 and I 88 this week. Passin Thru:biggrin_25514:
     
    Passin Thru, Jul 12, 2007
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  11. Jul 15, 2007 #9
    Roadmedic

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    The key that bites here is Interstate Commerce. Crossing state lines, charging for services require ICC/MC. Weight is not the issue. The hotshot van weighs under 10,001 lbs. Carrying cargo across state lines brings you under FMCSA.

    I would not recommend pulling anything without the proper papers. The cost of fines if caught are substantial.
     
    Roadmedic, Jul 15, 2007
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