C.R. England and Sons, Inc. - West Valley, Ut.

No, sir....

 

Nope. You violated shill rule #1. When you tell one lie, you have to tell 4 more to cover the first one.

Tell us all how you were exempted from variable mileage with only 8 months in a truck (any truck, period), when it takes completion of at least an 18 month lease, preferably one of the 24-30 month leases, or a 3 year new truck lease to do your NEXT lease without variable mileage?

Guess you didn't think I caught that one, huh? I'm in this for the entertainment value, at this point, since anything you've posted based on your "numbers" is pure, made-up hogwash.

Your first mistake was the assumption that all drivers are stupid or uneducated. I guess you didn't vet your audience very well.

Just like the guy talking smoke and mirrors about being a Navy Seal, and doesn't realize he's talking to a real one.

 

I have been with England for 3 years now and the only way to get away from the variable mileage is to buy the truck. I put $7100 down on it and bought it for roughly $45,000.

I did a 58 week plan at 14% interest. If I was still leasing my variable mileage would be about 9 cents a mile because it would have been reduced from the awards program.

My phase 1 trainer has been with CRE for 14 years now. But his variable mileage payment is 2 cents a mile since his terms come from an older lease agreement. He uses the grandfather clause.

 

There's two ways, according to my paperwork - buy it, so you're not leasing, like you said, or complete a FULL lease... not a demo lease. That's the only way, and that's why I know all of this cheerleading is just that, and no more.

 

If you could back up and start all over, how would you have handled your fuel differently?

You may not be an exception, but I'm pretty sure that you're not the average C.R.E. trainee either. So far, your explanation as to how well you're doing, compared to most who describe their C.R.E. adventure much differently, has been that the key is to provide one's dispatcher with a list of 10 reasons why said dispatcher should give you only the best loads.
So simple, even a cave man could do it.
I reckon the real challenge is gettin' past all the unnecessary metal detectors and bullet-proof glass to get to a dispatcher's foxhole, --- after bribing the armed guards to look the other way, which they probably already do, seein' as how most folks try to break out, not in.

Did your Phase 1 trainer mention how long it took him to know what he's doin'?
Near as I can tell, many of the C.R.E. trainers are a work in progress.

But I think it's safe to say it'll take "at least" a year to know what you're doin'. Whatever the time frame, you'll know when know. Once you know what you're doing, you may be askin' yourself, *what have I done*? Usually followed by *why*?

That can be avoided though, and the learnin' curve can be straightened out and shortened with a little pull from those on high, entrenched within the security of the fortified front offices. If one can manipulate the suits and ties, that's 'bout all one would need to know how to do.

How "safe" is it for you to rent a trainee to teach while you're asleep? Even if you remain awake, with less than a year's total experience, and your admission that you don't know what you're doin', ........ yet, I suggest that "safety", as in out thar on the road "safety", is not your primary objective. Your real motivation is your own financial security, which ain't a bad thang in and of itself. It's when one stands on a trainee's head to remain above the excrement after it hits the fan that I have a serious problem with.

There are those who accuse C.R. England of not caring about their drivers to the point that it sometimes borders on outright abuse. Combine that with an obvious lack of respect for their drivers, and the results are what C.R.E. is in the process of passin' on to you.
Can't make ends meet when there's too much month left at the end of the money?
Is Re-Po Man lurkin' about your Big truck?
Need to come up with mo money for the Sons-0-Chester to skim off the top, so mo money trickles down to the earner?
Just call Rent-a-Trainee for the solution and discover how exploiting trainees for fun and profit can benefit your bottom
line.
No deposit,
No return.
Just dispose of properly once the trainee has completely burned out. Or, just abandon the empty shell of the desperate trainee out in the middle of nowhere, as is commonly practiced by the all caring C.R.E. trainin' crew.
Be prepared for trainees with poor work ethics to cop an attitude when they're discarded, now deep in debt to Chester's sons. Why they take it personally, I'll never know.
It's just C.R.E. doin' business, ................ as usual.

Except for you, ------------- Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Interesting.

With a freshly rented trainee, who will come complete with additional log books, you'll sleep sooo much sounder knowin' that, even as you bounce around in slumber in the bunk of your Big truck, that coolie, ....... uhhhh, ...... I mean, trainee, is there to keep the cash flowin' in while the trainer sleeps. If a trainee happens to learn anything pertaining to knowin' what they're doin' along the way, that's fine. Nothin' wrong with learnin'. But they better not get their undies all wadded up when they're informed that the additional learinin' will also be an additional cost for them to repay with interest, and late charges when applicable.

I guess that could be considered a good thang. First guess, second guess, third guess, even a fourth guess, ----- maybe. But where does a driver draw the guessin' line and start expectin' a real answer?


Those Big truck truck drivers with multiple years of seasoned experience may not appreciate dispatchers who don't guess. They might recognize that as a lack of concern, or flat not caring.

I agree 100%!
If you can arrange to attend a Defensive Driving Course, --- WitH skid-pad, I would highly recommend doin' that ANY way you can. What you'll experience and learn is priceless, and could save lives. One of the lives saved might be mine, --- and I'd appreciate that.

I attended the Defensive Driving Course and skid-pad at Fox Valley Tech in Wisconsin.
When I experienced the skid pad we were on solid ice, not just a wet down asphalt parkin' lot to make it slippery. I'm talkin' slick, greasy, no traction, ......... and totally cool. (Pun not intended) Highways were closed 'till they could dispatch salt-shakers to groom the roads. Folks sittin' on the highway in view of the skid-pad in their stopped cars, waitin' for the All Clear, were entertained by watchin' a bunch of Big trucks goin' 'round and 'round driven by middle-aged wannaBees actin' like little kids on the playground.

WoW!
In the short while that you've been learnin' at C.R. England, it seems like you're developing the famous England Attitude for Advanced Business Exploitation.

How to make friends, then use and exploit them, --- undetected.
Done properly, they'll remain standin' in a natural pose, complete with a smile on their unsuspecting face.
Afterward, while relaxin', basking in the afterglow of a thorough reaming, puffin' on a tobacco product, and perhaps consumin' an adult beverage, the trainee remains unaware that they're runnin' on ice thinner than the Ice Road ice, with, to their credit, no one venturing a second guess as to why they haven't found a safe(r) place to park until it's safe(r) be drivin'.

It's probably a trainee at the steerin' wheel.
With trainer fast asleep back in the bunk,
providing instruction on the lost art of
succeedin' at C.R. England.
Alas!
Tis but a dream for most, me thinkith.
And a nightmare for the masses, I fearith.

RAYJAC, have you ever, in the past, posted here at The Trucker's Repots under a different stage name?
The reason I ask is that, for some reason, your posts seem familiar.
Everyone has their own unique writing style that's difficult to mask, so obvious that a name isn't needed to know who wrote the post.
Amazing how that works.
It's twue!
It's twue!

 

Being in the game for 5+ yrs I can honestly attest to several things.
It takes more than a yr to learn to drive, trip plan, time manage, relate with other drivers, communicate with shippers and receivers and deal with office politics.
I find it strange how someone can do all things in under a yr JMO...
Next taking the driving future of someone who has no experience and placing that in the hands of a "noob" is just a travesty. Money can't be the driving force behind this practice that CRE calls training. This is why we have situations on the road because of this driver mill mindset. It fuels CRE's bottom line and the trainers that are $$ focused. When you train the mindset is to make someone better not to take advantage of their innocence.
In closing I would think it's admirable to admit not having the experience and trying to be safe when training a "noob", however the responsible thing to do is to take the early lumps, learn the business and the lifestyle before life coaching someone to doom. If the old timers on this thread can do it (paying dues) why can't the young ones do the same. Is money an exempting factor??? Let's ask that question while we ponder being safe for the next trip. Be safe and keep the shiny side up??

 

After readin' this post of yours, Heirforce, .............
I can honestly say, I think you've hit the head right on the nail. Some folks are just natural born people-pleezin' people, who just instinctively do what they do the way that they do what they do when they do what they do, and they tend to do it a lot. And why not?
It works.
I know.

Not everybody can be a people-pleezer.
Just ain't in their nature.
One can learn how to be better at people-pleezin', but they'd need to have, at least some, people-pleezin' ability that they can improve upon, ............... but how does one improve what doesn't exist?

There are those who consider just bein' in possession of a loaded, and often concealed, people-pleezin' ability, to be a major threat to their security. Their fear is that they'll use that P-P ability to their own advantage by influencin' the people they pleeze to pleeze promote the pleezer, thereby, unfortunately, passin' over those with lackluster people-pleezin' abilities who depend on their promotion(s) according to a seniority system. People-pleezin' people have an unfair advantage. They should not be allowed to pleeze people for personal gain. Level the playin' field to take away the advantage, pleeze, they demand. To allow people-pleezin' to continue just because a vast majority indicate that they much prefer people-pleezin' 'em, stomps all over the rights of the ones who'd prefer not to exert the effort it would take to make their life more pleezin' to people.

But, ..................... I digress, .................
My bad.

To say people-pleezin' abilities are an advantage and could be considered unfair to those who, for whatever reason, don't pleeze the right people is, I think, pretty accurate. People-pleezin' sells.
Companies are in business to sell a service and/or product. Non-People-pleezers can affect sales in a negative way.
It's your company and your financial future at stake, who gets the job?
The employee with the highest seniority?
A generic plain brown wrapped wall flower.

Or the effervescent people-pleezer?
Who folks just enjoy bein' around.

YeaH,
That's what I was thinkin' too.

Strange?
Perhaps.
But not unheard of.
Some folks excel at a more rapid rate than some others.
Then, there are those who learn well from a book, but can't seem to apply what they've learned from a book. And there are those who can observe, and perform without any spoken words of instruction. But it's hard to top a people-pleezer, especially when their aptitude and performance are equally pleezin'.

I don't know what RAYJAC did for a livin' before he decided to go trailer truckin', and I'm not askin', but judgin' from his "Ten Reasons Why" list that he presented to his dispatcher, I'm thinkin' he's well versed in people-pleezin'. That he pulled it off successfully when it could just as easily have flopped and had an undesirable opposite effect, indicates to me that he's experienced and capable, not to mention confident, in his instincts and abilities, puttin' him several levels above the *average* C.R.E. applicant and trainee. That people of that caliber tend to be treated better by the powers that be C.R.E. doesn't really surprise me. SOMEbody must be bein' treated well within the company called England. It just doesn't seem to be Joe Average WannaBee who's receivin' it.

If RAYJAK is what he claims to be, it's possible that he hasn't been exposed to treatment as has been described by so many. If the Sons-0-Chester have more than one face each, it's possible our friend hasn't seen the other face(s) that so many here have described. If so, RAYJAC can debate inaccuracies about pay, and Company policy as he understands it. Things like that are more black and white, having experienced that of which he speaks. I appreciate anyone who is willin' to set the record(s) straight when they know the information is correct.

But I don't see how RAYJAC can dispute the countless stories from so many others who all tell similar, and in some cases, identical stories. To dismiss them as just so much ranting from lazy, listless, undisciplined malcontents with poor work ethics, based on an assumption that C.R.E. treats him no differently than Joe Average, isn't what I'd consider bein' objective.

I hope he's never subjected to the alleged shabby treatment claimed to exist by hundreds of drivers who came before RAYJAC. I hope he never, personally, witnesses such treatment bein' administered to anyone else, either.
It's easy to understand how someone brand new to the Big truck truckin' industry, still not up to speed on the little known details on how truckin' came from where it was, to where and why it is what it is today. Some of the C.R.E. stories sound so unbelievable it's hard to believe them. To even consider that some of the stories are truly accurate can be frightening. Nobody wants to believe stuff like that about the company that employs them. And ignoring them won't make 'em go away. As long as C.R.E. continues hiring people who obviously don't have what it takes to succeed, and then blame their failure on them is nothing short of scandalous. That C.R.E. does continue bein' unethical in their treatment of others is unforgivable, and speaks volumes of the character, or lack thereof, of the powers that be C.R.E.
IMO, of course.

A "travesty"?
Now thars a word I don't hear often, ..... thank goodness. I wish that word didn't fit the situation so well. Good choice of a word that best describes what we'd rather not know about though Heirforce.
By the way, did you mean that, "money can't be the driving force, or, shouldn't be (the driving force)?
Minor technicality.
Message intact.

If you hadn't said that, I'd like to think I, or someone else, would have (said it). Again, you've hit that head right on the nail, IMO.

I was followin' you in agreement right up to the part about "old timers". I got a tad confused there. However, I plan to ponder for at least the next couple of hours anyway.
If there's such a thing as a ponder party, maybe we oughta throw one. I'll be sure to ponder that point during my period of ponderance.
(Is that even a word?)

 

It boggles the mind how they convince these people.

They baffle them with numbers, mystic terms like variable costs( Jeez somehow you truck spends less when it runs more. Or is it spends more runs less? Nevermind my head hurts.) And negative checks(you realize that is getting a bill for driving right? Must have been some good sightseeing.)fuel management........



Wow every #### mile you turn costs you. Should not they all be profitable? I mean take the fairy tale numbers out of the eqaution(Don't start we know they are fantasy) why would you place yourself in a position(now get your mind out of the gutter) to have to work that hard every day of every week of every year just to make less than you trainee in the long run?

They really sell you guys on the miles, miles, miles thing huh? And then tell you people that will not work like that are lazy. I give you some advice my Uncle Crave gave me. Work smarter not harder.


Every mile you turn should show a profit. Not just the last 1000!

 

I stated from the start, that I choose the lease to own option at CRE. 72 weekly payments and I get the pink slip. I have never paid a penny of variable miles to CRE and never will. This is my first lease at CRE...

REYJAC

 

Do you smell smoke? The stench of burning denim?

Liar, liar, pants on fire!