Logbooks Should Be Banned

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Rob G, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. Rat

    Rat Road Train Member

    My problem is the time it takes me to load my truck. I haul bulk potatoes and I have to load my own truck. Usually takes an hour or more. Then add PTI and fueling and unloading etc. I burn up 14 hours with no problems. I don't get any time to take a break. I can't just pull over at the end of an 11 and call it quits for the day either. We have load times and delivery times. If I leave early and play games with my logs then I get in trouble. I have to go by what I am told. if I have to load in Wiliston ND at 12:00 PM then that is when I have to load. Takes me over 5 hours to get out there from the yard. Then it is back to the plant on the east side of the state to unload at a specific time.

    If I have to do multiple runs out that way back to back, then I have to drive out there the day before, take my 10, PTI and load, stop in Minot or Rugby ND and fuel the truck (I have small tanks so I have enough room for my liftable pusher axle), Back to Grand Forks ND, unload (again I have to unload the truck myself and this may take an hour or so) then beat feet back towards Wiliston till my clock runs out. Get up in the morning, PTI, finish driving back to the farm, Load, and burn back to GF stopping for fuel again.

    Other runs take me up into Manotiba with similar hours involved. I try my best to manage my book. It is what it is. It is not that same as regular OTR type work. I am beat after 3 days of this, I am draggin butt big time. Makes it hard to have proper meals so that my blood sugar levels stay in check so that I don't end up with type 1 diabeties rather they the type 2 I have now.

    I am stuck eating high fat and calorie foods out of food warmers because I have to have something I can eat on the go. I don't get much time to walk and excersize either. I am so tired at the end of my day that I just want to grab a quick bite, clean up and hit the sack. Don't even have a TV etc in the truck, I wouldn't turn it on if I did. It is in the bunk and lights out the min my head hits the pillow.

    We have many OTR drivers that have tried to do what we do. They always go back OTR because they can't handle the pace.

    the love to load one day, driver for 11 hours or so, stop during their trip, go to bed, then driver some more etc and finally make their destination a few days after they loaded. Heck some only log about 8.5 hours a day.

    They can't take working 14 hours a day every day.
     
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  3. Rob G

    Rob G Light Load Member

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    I don't know who you work for, but I've worked for a few. They are, so far, all basically the same, from my experience. Aside from that, the companies we work for do not control the shippers and receivers habits. They do not control the traffic. They do not control breakdowns or flats. They do not control "It was supposed to be appointment only but when I got here it wasn't and there's 20 trucks in front of me". They do not control a shipper giving them the wrong delivery date that makes me have to sit or have to run and gun to get there on time. They do not control a lot of things that come into play in the real world of trucking that can eat your time up everyday. That list goes on and on and on. You, I am assuming, know this. The way you make it sound is that you are the perfect driver, working for the perfect company, and the rest of us are idiots that have no clue. If that's not the case...pardon me....but that's what you sounded like.
     
  4. IMSAkid

    IMSAkid Light Load Member

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    This is why I think E logs are going to be pushed to large carries at least.... They have a long way to go but being that there info is stored on a central hub and #### near impossible to cheat it will be hard for a dispatcher to force you to push your logs and if they do it can be more easley tracked. and gotten to the bottom of.
     
  5. lammchop558

    lammchop558 Bobtail Member

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    I run an E-log. They gave it to me I was kicking and screaming. Now if they were to take it away I would be pissed. No more do I hear any crap about the load making it there no matter what. That has completely taken all the stress of the log book off of me. I can get fuel now where and when ever I want. I pull into the scales with a grin there is little stress on me now. As a company it forces dispatchers to do their job. There is alot more responsiblity on the dispatcher to use their head instead of what is easiest for them.
     
  6. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    You are allowed to make that call, and no law or carrier can make you drive.

    It is in the regulations in fact. Biggest fantasy told by people is the HOS and log books make you drive tired. That is an irrational thought process as the only thing they regulate is maximum driving and on duty times. They have no minimum!


    You have preoblems making money or dealing with shippers receivers change your business model, or go find another job.




    Should there be far higher standards for drivers? Sure. Maybe we could regulate some that can get their work done inside of the HOS, actually control their vehicle, not be offensive to breathe around and fit through the door of ghe truck stop.Still will not repeal the need to stop people from pushing for that one more mile to bend over for a customer instead of just telling them they should have done their job better.





    You the driver make the decision to drive or not. Sleep or not. Those are the facts!
     
  7. THBatMan8

    THBatMan8 Road Train Member

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    We all have those days. It doesn't matter if you're hauling potatoes or cadavers. I limit my breaks on days where I load and unload freight, and take them while the freight is being loaded/unloaded. Most of the time I handle the freight myself, as it does good to get out of the cab and do some physical labor once in a while.
     
  8. Jordon

    Jordon Bobtail Member

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    I've been reading his posts for 10 years. And yep, your assessment is accurate.
     
  9. Rob G

    Rob G Light Load Member

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    That, to me, sounds like more government involvement. I've already stated my opinion on that elsewhere in this thread so I won't elaborate again. My concern there is that they may step in, in one way or another, like they did in the auto industry, and wind up with too much control. That may be good in some points and bad in others. Only time will tell.

    There is no easy fix, answer, solution, whatever one would call it. It took a long time for it to get to this point and it may well take a long time to iron it out. There will never be a "perfect" resolution to it I don't think. Discussion is the first step in the right direction and that was going on long before this thread started.

    E-logs can very well make a carrier get off a drivers back about being "backed in a corner", so to speak, but what about when it comes time to find a place to take a 10 hour break? Kind of a two edged sword there. The same case with paper logs as far as responsibility on the individual drivers part, to make safe decisions and not get someone killed versus losing their families livelihood. A rock and a hard spot to say the least.

    Is there a way to find a happy medium here? Considering that there are still shippers and receivers who are not in the least concerned about drivers or their companies, because they can just hire another company that would be all too eager to step in the place of the last one. And we can't expect every shipper/receiver to provide overnight parking/10 hour break areas. It's just not feasible. We could on the other hand expect that if the FMCSA and DOT want to put all these regulations in place for "safety" reasons, then they should also be able to give the drivers some consideration and start building places for us to LEGALLY STOP, for "safety" reasons. They want to create jobs? There's one way to do it.

    It seems to me that the FMCSA and DOT are mandating all these regulations and more or less telling all the drivers "This is what we came up with. YOU find a way to make it work....OR ELSE!". What's wrong with that picture? Aren't we, the drivers, the ones that put our lives on the line everyday to keep this countries economy moving? That's kind of a slap in the face.

    It sounds like a combination of E-Logs and a safe legal place to stop would be the best answer. Having the peace of mind that comes from knowing you don't have to run illegal and it can be enforced, and always having a safe legal place to stop would eliminate a LOT of stress. The main concern then would be equipment maintenance and being safe when we DO have legal drive time. BUT...we don't have those places to park and apparently the people that can make it happen aren't interested in making it happen, rather, they are closing rest areas and blocking off entrance ramps (which I personally only use as a last resort) and having a field day writing parking tickets because of their "new laws".

    Implement E-Logs and build adequate parking areas and we can work out the bugs from there. But, not trying to be pessimistic here, I won't hold my breath. People want perfection and they are NOT going to get it. The last time I checked, the drivers are the ones signing everybody elses paycheck. Somebody is going to have to give the drivers a break here instead of persisting with yet another condemning stereotype.
     
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