Do "real" teams ever shut down?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by smadronia, Jul 18, 2007.

  1. smadronia

    smadronia Heavy Load Member

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    I ramble, to skip the department of backstory, just go to the last paragraph.

    I've been in my truck just under 2 months, my boyfriend joined me to co-drive a month ago. We started together, then he got injured, so I was left with the trainer, and that trainer told me that when you're teaming, one of you drives, one of you sleeps. That's how we ran, even though our dispatcher was only giving us single person loads. He'd drive, wake me up, give me backing practice, and then I'd drive and he'd sleep. We spent a lot of time waiting at places to unload.

    When my boyfriend trained, he got a different trainer, and they shut down most nights for 4-6-8 hours a night. Their dispatcher gave them different loads, some team, some single, but they were able to shut down most nights.

    When the boyfriend and I got together, we hoped to be able to shut down a few nights a week, and get some time sleeping together. Our dispatcher loses his mind everytime we shut down. He sends messages about real/full teams never shutting down, and if we're going to drop our loads off early, etc, we need to run like a full team. How do you run without ever shutting down, and not run out of hours? Regardless of how many hours you actually drive, if you're showing 20 hours of drive time a day, you're going to be at your 70 for both drivers before your 8 days.

    They keep telling us that we'll average 5000 miles a week. We figured it'd average out to about 8-9 hours of driving for both of us, with time to shut down a few times a week, provided the loads allow for it. Our dispatcher loses his mind though, he'll give us a solo load, won's answer if we can drop it or if we'll end up delivering it, and then get angry if we shut down for a night. Then, the next load will be something we can just barely get in under the wire, and if we stop to shower or eat, we're going to be late. Then he'll give us something with a 12 hour wait time to get loaded, and who knows where it goes from there.

    So, the short version of my ramblings: do teams really get to shut down from time to time, or is everything I've heard not true, and you should consider your load/unload time your shut down time?
     
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  3. calmar_1955

    calmar_1955 Light Load Member

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    Teams can run, without shutting down.

    Example: You start out in the truck (let's presume you've done a 34 hour restart, so you're starting out the clock fresh). Your boyfriend should legally be in the sleeper doing his Zzzz's. You drive for 11 hours, so your time is up, time for you to hit the hay. Boyfriend wakes up after doing a minimum of 10 hours in the sleeper, so his 11/14 hour clock has re-set, over-and-above the 34 hour restart when you began driving.

    So you're now in the sleeper for your minimum of 10 (I'm skipping over split breaking, to keep it simple). Boyfriend drives his 11 hours, you're now awake, and ready, you're 11/14 hour clock has reset, and you're ready to start driving again.

    Please notice I didn't use any references to the actual time of day, because that doesn't matter in this process. Once you get your 10 hours in the bunk, your clock is golden and ready for your next shift.

    In this practice, you can indeed drive 11 hours in first shift + the first 2 hours of your second chance in the seat during the first day if you started driving at mid-nite (remember your bf's driving for 11 hours in that day too, so 11 hrs for you + 11 hrs for him + 2 hrs more for you = 24 hour day period.

    You do have to watch your 70/80 hour rule by the end of the week.

    Suppose for this example you get to your hours limit first (because you was the first one in the driver's seat. So you hit the bunk to begin your 34 hour reset at the end of your 70/80 hour clock. Boyfriend continues driving his 11 hours, then his clock has timed-out, so he needs the bunk too. You've already been sleeping 11 hours while he drove, so you only need another 23 hours off-duty status (34 - 11 = 23) before you can begin driving again.

    So your 34 hour reset is done, boyfriend still needs 11 hours on his reset. So you start driving, while he finishes his 11 in the bunk (off-duty).

    Okay, colleagues... how'd I do? Did I explain it correctly?
     
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  4. smadronia

    smadronia Heavy Load Member

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    Technically that's requiring us to shut down within the 8 days. I know it can be done, because it's unlikely that you're going to keep the truck going 24 hours a day for 8 days without stopping somewhere to load or unload. so by having 15 or 20 hours in a week of loading/unloading, you could, conceivably never shut down. Add that to a 15 minute break between shifts, and you've got the ability to never have to shut down.

    My question was, do teams really do that? And I mean real teams, full teams, most teams, not the occasional team. Most people I've encountered say they don't, but my dispatcher is implying otherwise, so I'm curious about that.

    Edited to add: didn't see your topic question, I run for Central Ref. Which means we get plenty of load and unload time. Ah, 12 hour loads... enough to drive me crazy.
     
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  5. Eskimo6804

    Eskimo6804 Heavy Load Member

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    I have 4 teams that drive for me in our small company. Three of those teams average 23-24,000 miles a month and take a week off at the end of every month. The other team is what I call crazy, they run for 10 months straight averaging 30,000 miles a month and then take two straight months off in the summer. So the simple math says that all four teams are averaging right around 1000 miles a day. Considering that they have to unload and reload every second day and that eats some time, I honestly don't think they stop the truck much. As for what others teams do, I can't say. I can only speak to what I know as facts.
     
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  6. calmar_1955

    calmar_1955 Light Load Member

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    From my own experience of pulling dry van, expedited freight, we're 99% drop & hook. So yes, there is a 1/2 hour to 45 min. each day or so as we switch trailers. And I'll also agree with the refueling, shift switching, etc.

    Somewhere on this friendly site, I read if team-mates each drive 8.75 hours per day, they'd never hit the need for a 34 hour reset.

    I've also read elsewhere here the most miles you get is to run hard and fast, and take your 34 hour reset (24 hour reset if done properly on logs).

    Hope it works for you!
     
  7. wallbanger

    wallbanger "Enemy of showers everywhere"

    Realistically, even with load/unload times (and most companies that are set up to REALLY runs teams try to have teams D+H as much as possible) you still either run hard and run out your hours, or each run your 8.75 hours a shift (remember that's a total of both lines 3 and 4) and run forever without needing a reset. And calmar is right, no matter WHAT the truck is doing (fueling,loading/unloading) the person who is supposed to be sleeping NEEDS to stay in the sleeper berth (at least on their logs).

    That's how I used to run team, run your 11, switch, and get in the bunk.
     
  8. crazymama

    crazymama <strong>The Gardener</strong>

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    That all sounds just like murder. I'll never run in a team if I can help it. No amount of money is worth giving up a life!

    Suzi
     
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  9. chief

    chief Heavy Load Member

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    "No amount of money is worth giving up a life!"

    that happens anyway when you become a truck driver. it ain't no 9-5 job!:biggrin_2559:
     
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  10. crazymama

    crazymama <strong>The Gardener</strong>

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    I know what I'm getting into. Provided I can handle that big rig I'll just be finding my life.

    Suzi
     
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  11. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    It is up to the team drives of they shut down for a while each day or not, which is why you need to be teamed up with another driver that is compatible with you.

    You still have to eat and shower. If it were me teaming with someone, we would be shutting down for these two things daily. There may be days that you have to run hard as a team, but realistically, you are each only going to be able to log 8-9 hours a day, otherwise you begin hitting your limit of 70. If each of you are driving an average of 8 - 8.5 hours a day, then the truck is moving 1000 miles per day, which is plenty.
     
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