Crete Bit Off More Than They Could Chew

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  1. Tip

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    How many people die in the USA from cigarette smoking? Or from industrial accidents? Truck drivers indeed get the shaft, as the government isn't nearly as concerned with cigarettes or OSHA enforcement as they are with big rigs. But even then the government doesn't care. It cares only about revenue, and big rigs are a great source of that.

    If the government was really concerned about highway safety, there would be speed governors on cars and teenage drivers would be given genuine driver's education in high school, with a special portion devoted to driving around heavy vehicles.

    I think there is actually a high performance car tire on the US market that is designed for speeds over 150 mph. Nice. I guess if you have the bucks to buy a car that can go this fast, it's okay if you speed, even though there is no part of the autobahn in the USA. You're a member of the powerful old guard, which means you're a dangerous voter. You'll be allowed to test the limits of that awesome tire. If you get busted doing 180 someplace, you'll get a slap on the wrist and maybe not even fined.

    The big truck that is going 1 mph over the limit in Ohio is a whole different matter, however.

    I'll say again--truck drivers catch so much flak because truck drivers are politically impotent....by design, of course.
     
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  3. geargrinder

    geargrinder Medium Load Member

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    Tip - Great Post. So many truckers are part of the Redneck Guard and fall for all that Love It Or Leave It stuff.

    It never ceases to amaze me how many truckers are Republicans and support(ed) George Bush. Talk Redneck tough and a trucker will love you, sport a gun and you are welcome to family dinner table.

    A trucker has as much business voting Republican as Ralph Nader.

    Not saying the Dems are any better - because all Politicians are in bed with the highest bidder. But, at least the Dems mouth the words that they care about the working families and dwindling Middle Class.

    What we need is someone to hack into the central OBC's network and send a message to every trucker - park for a 34-hour restart ;-)

     
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  4. perry_411

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    So we need a political party-it's the only way to change the country.

    Anti Gun Control
    Workers Rights
     
  5. bbmyls2go

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    Tip : I just read Friday that Alvin Wilkerson, the Crete driver from Florida will begin his trial in August. No evidence of drugs, plenty of visibility (over 1500 feet I think it said), he hadn't slept much in the prior 34 hours, and they found faint skid marks indicating he didn't really brake prior to the impact (I've wondered if that is because the trailer might have had ABS?).

    Perry-411 : in fact I did tell my manager, " if I wanted to work for WalMart, I'd work for WalMart, AT BETTER PAY". So much for that line of attack, LOL! I actually just came off an extended vacation so don't think going back is in the cards - you lose your vaction time and have to reset the waiting period for insurance all over again anyway. And as I point out, my leaving isn't about this one incident, this is just the final straw after many years of my being dissatisfied with management style and dishonesty in the company.
    I could start a whole new rant on how they handled changes in log book enforcement last year, LOL!

    No, the only reason I wanted to post my situation, is that other drivers may not have been put in the position yet, and I want them to know they are up against the wall - if they can handle that and let it roll off their back for a week, cool, but for me it was too much.

    Barney : what I posted originally was correct. I did not say that Crete threatened to fire me. I may not have been as clear when I said that a driver MUST QUIT. But he will be left with the choice, do it or be reprimanded for failure to accept a load, which is a violation that is not a firing offense. So left with that option, you pretty much HAVE to do it or quit. I repeated last night in a post that no one said "you will be fired". They just made it clear that I had no choice but to lose money for the following week. It was my manager who refused to offer a middle-ground that would allow me to continue running. Neither $150/day at WalMart nor a 5 day unpaid suspension is acceptable to me, so I skipped to the next step myself and notified them I would quit.
    What YOU said was "I took a week there ...".
    Now you say you are a Sterling Fleet driver? Which is it, did you get the 5 day assignment or are you a fleet driver? By the way, 4 months ago they did not tell us it was a 5 day assignment, just asked us to go help out for a few days. 4 months ago, you COULD refuse without repercussions.
    I'm really curious why you appear to defend a program that even Crete wants out of and are quick to insult a fellow company driver by insinuating there are 'deeper issues' rather than what I have put.

    Geargrinder - my quick 2 cents on the political leanings - I'm rather conservative in many issues but am liberal in social issues, and am an independent voter.
    When Bush was voted into office with such strong support from truckers, I didn't see it as a political party thing, but truckers mistakenly thought that Bush, with his connections to Texas, Haliburton, and oil, would be friendly to the industry and even help bring prices down. I'm pretty sure that was it, truckers are often one issue voters, much like those that only vote depending on the candidates view on abortion and could care less about the whole package of economy, international relations, health, education, etc.
    What truckers found out, what the other 51% of America is finding out, is that Bush is President of Texas, not the US. Everything he does is for the profit of he, his family, and his cronies. Oil, NAFTA, the 'superhighway', and of course, Iraq. And he can't make profits being nice or fair to the American trucker.
     
  6. Tip

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    Thanks for the information, BB. I appreciate it. Sounds like that Wilkerson guy'll be bedding down in a place with free room and board for the next twenty years or so.

    But I think he should have a couple of roommates from Crete if and when he goes to the bighouse. That rig had a Q-comm unit installed, meaning at least some dispatchers knew his actions just before that wreck happened. Somebody had to know he was driving illegally. If a driver has been awake for 30 hours straight, he has been driving most of that time, if not all of it. What else does a driver do who stays up 30 hours straight? Watch TV in the bunk? Come on. I know people who've gone to jail on less circumstantial evidence than this. All the feds have to do is get the truck's electronic records from Qual-Comm in San Diego. Those records would prove at least some of the guys inside knew what he was doing, yet did nothing to stop him. Oh yeah, there should be a couple of Crete insiders sitting in that cell with Alvin as he does his time over the next two decades or so.

    If this happened to my family members, I'd find out who those guys inside were who knew what was going on and give them the choice: own up and go to jail or get a .22 short in the back of the neck. See how they like living as vegetables the rest of their lives.
     
  7. Tip

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    Great post, Grinder. I agree completely. A truck driver has as much business voting for any republican as a Jew had voting for a nazi in ol' Deutschland. I've had enough of the dog-eat-dog market system, the "winner take all" scenario that treats poor people as disposible assets.

    "First.....we'll create an environment of desperation. Then....we will exploit the desperate."

    You guys can have all that free-market nonsense. I'm done with it.
     
  8. bbmyls2go

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    Tip, actually I don't think Crete has much responsibility for the accident at all as long as the truck was in working order. Alvin, as I understand it, is a Florida based driver with a dedicated route out of Jacksonville. He had gone home for a 34 hour restart and spent the time active instead of resting. I have hear rumors of partying, but have also heard reports of simple home errands, but in both, it is agreed that he admitted to not having had ample sleep before returning to duty.
    I don't see how Crete or even BigBrother can prevent that scenario.

    A result is that the rest of us Crete drivers have been screwed, because last year Crete initiated log book enforcement changes that incorporate full use of the GPS/Qcom system. Computer programs now monitor the truck's status and flag safety in several situations.
    One is that the program recognizes the truck taking a 10 hour or more downtime, and when it moves (GPS) it begins monitoring for the 14 hour rule. If GPS monitors movement 14 hours later, safety will be alerted by the system and the driver contacted to shut down (and appropriate safety points assessed for the hours of service violation).
    Secondly, they never used to use GPS for enforcement, now they do. If you log that you stopped at point A at the 11 hour mark, but actually had to travel more than 7 additional miles to point B, thus violating the hours of service, the GPS will show your location and in a logbook audit, you will be found out and points assessed.
    Third case, if you park, and go to sleep, and have a WONDERFULLY deep sleep for 9 straight hours, and you awaken facing a known 11 hour driving day, you MUST sit on your hands for the completion of that 10 hour break, or the computer will recognize the long break and that it did not last a full 10 hours and will alert safety.
    So Crete is now fully using audits and GPS to crack down on logbook violations/hours of service violations.
    There is no leeway as there used to be (logging a fuel stop within 2 hours of the actual stop, for instance), everything must jibe with the GPS, location and time, within the 15 minute segments of the log book, pre-trips, fueling, tolls, start and stop times including any breaks longer than 7 minutes and traffic delays.
    It is a very strict system, but not hard to adapt to - the problem was that Crete didn't TELL US they were cracking down, so most drivers learned the hard way, after the fact, when they got home and found safety audit reports in their mailbox (unless they were unlucky enough to get flagged and shut down at the time of the violation).
    You know Crete's ad campaign?
    THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS - they are talking about log book cheats, LOL!

    Where were we? Oh yeah, as far as I know, Alviin had a legal logbook, was running legal in all regards, and with Crete, had a good safety record. There really wasn't anything the company could have done to change the outcome other than what they have now insitituted, the industry's toughest enforcement and strongest driver awareness training in regards to hours of service. If any Crete driver says he is forced to run or deliver against DOT rules, I would call him out. I have never been reproached when telling dispatch I can't make it to a pick-up, can't make a hot load delivery appointment, or that I woud have to shut down at a receiver due to the 14 hours rule. The opposite is true. Despite the company not being honest when initiating the new rules, they have always make a point of telling drivers that safety comes first.
     
  9. WiseOne

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    Tip, now you have ME pissed even. The Democrats are the ones who create an environment of "poor" and the exploit the poor. What the hell does this have to do with this conversation? Tip, you have been banned for 7 days due to this post. Enough is enough and you MUST calm down a bit. You had NO right to input politics into this thread. My hand has been forced now.
     
  10. Brickman

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    This is a free country and the same freedoms that allow a person to say stupid things
    allows a person to vote how ever they feel. Stupid in your eyes or not.
    The Dems are no better in any way. Their claims of being for the middle class are merely campaign BS promises to get the gullible to vote for them.
     
  11. geargrinder

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    Unless a person is making more than a quarter million a year, they have nothing in common with any Republican. A vote for them just gets them elected to pad their pockets. Just look at who benefitted from 6-years of Republican control. The country is broke, but the well heeled (individuals and corporations) are like pigs in S#$*. Never another peep out of me RE politics ;-)

    RE CRETE and Walmart. I was in the Chicago area this week. Tons of Cretans thumping down the road pulling Low Prices Always. Walmart is legendary for squeezing every penny out of suppliers. Providers of transportation services are no different than suppliers of widgets. The Chinese must be wondering if WMT is even too cheap for them!

    WMT is a contradiction - suppliers hate them, employees hate them, municipalities hate them. But suppliers flock to them, they are the largest employer, and they show up everywhere;-)

     
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