Line 1, can't go back?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by johnday, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    I was told the other day, that once I have been on line 4, I can't go back to line 1, then down to line 3. This is with my new company that mostly stays in the 100 air mile radius. Another driver and I, are the only two that go outside that, so we just fill out a regular log.
    What I did,
    1. Was on line 1
    2. Did my pretrip and found problem with the trailer, line 4.
    3. Went to line 1. I was not needed to do anything with the truck, other than yak with the mechanic as he was repairing the trailer.
    4. Got in truck and took off, line 3.
    What did I do wrong?

    Another thing. Our safety guy was telling me that I could work up to 16 hours once a week, on line 4. I thought you could always work beyond your 14, you just couldn't drive. Am I wrong?
    These sound like rookie questions, but this is what I'm being told. Is it just the difference between local and OTR?:biggrin_2556:
     
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  3. CondoCruiser

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    He has his own set of rules I guess?

    Nothing says you can't do your pretrip and then go eat breakfast, then drive. Evidently he thinks you have to go straight to driving?

    You can drive once a week in a 16 hour window. You can work line 4 indefinately as long as you take a 10 hour break afterwards. But driving local you have a fixed start time usually. You need to leave work 10 hours before the next shift.
     
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  4. kwray

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    You can work up to 16 hours once per week but only if you are released from duty at the same location where you report for duty each day and you fill out a logbook, as opposed to carrying a timecard which restricts you to a 12 hr day within a 100nm radius.

    There is nothing to stop you from going on duty for some time and then going off duty for a period, however, going off duty will not stop your 14 hour clock. If you log on duty at 6am, you must cannot drive beyond 10pm (14 hours later) regardless of how much on duty or off duty time you have logged between 6am and 10pm. Only and eight hour break in the sleeper will stop the 14 hour clock. And, remember, you cannot exceed 11 hours of driving, except in extraordinary circumstances like bad weather where you are allowed an extra 2 hours, however many companies won't allow their drivers to use this exception because its hard to justify that you actually needed to drive another two hours.

    The only problem you may run into with what you did is that some may interpret the law to state that technically you are still on duty while you are waiting for repairs. But really, what's to stop a guy from watching tv in the lounge or hitting on the waitress (thereby going off duty) while Cooter changes a tire or fiddles with the carburetor so you can outrun Roscoe?
     
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  5. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    I would "hope" he doesn't have his own set of rules. I'm just wondering if he isn't inadvertently confusing/combining OTR and local. I do have a local log book, but I've never used it.
    Now, yes, I do start and end in the same location, but have no set start time, basically it's whenever the day driver gets finished with the truck.
    That 16 hour thing, I'm assuming it's for local drivers? I've never heard of that for OTR.
    I'm on the 8day/70 hour thing. Since I don't even come close to exhausting my 70, I'll just go from line 1, to line 4, then line 3, until I get to customer, then line 4 to unload, back to line 3, then once I get back to the yard, line 4 for whatever I need to do, fuel, PTI, drop/hook, etc.
    Since I have a 9 hour turn around doing that, I don't log line 1 for any breaks, even though I do stop for a 10-15 minutes each way on my trip. I suppose I should log line 1 for those, the log it as you do it logic, but I always have a good 10-15 hours surplus each week, so I just look at it as why bother. I guess to keep the DOT off me if ever stopped, I should at least flag those 2 little stops.

    "Nothing says you can't do your pretrip and then go eat breakfast, then drive. Evidently he thinks you have to go straight to driving?"

    Ya, that what it looks like, unless I totally misunderstood what he was saying.:biggrin_25525:


    kwray, ya, that's all basic logging. I just don't see where he's coming from.LOL
     
  6. CondoCruiser

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    Maybe I am too? When I ran LTL, I never had time to go to line 1. So I don't know?

    If you work over 12 hours a day, you still need to watch your hours. A 10-12 hour day it wouldn't matter as you reset every weekend.
     
  7. kwray

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    The 16 hour thing you wouldn't be able to do as an OTR because you have to be released from duty at the same location you report to work in order to use it. So that restricts the use to city drivers like me who occasionally go over 12 and outside 100 miles and as such are required to run a log.

    When I was on the road I rarely exceeded 50 or 55 hours a week especially when I was home on the weekends. Now that I run local I regularly go over 60 in 5 days because all my time is paid for so if it takes 2 hours to unload somewhere thats what I log, as opposed to just showing 15 minutes to sign paperwork and the rest off duty or in the sleeper like I did when I was on the road.
     
  8. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    Ya, I see what you're saying on the 12 hour days, I haven't had any, but the potential is there if I were to load myself.

    We seem to run the same way, you just put in a few more hours than myself. I like that 2 hour unload time, especially the part of hourly.:biggrin_25525: As it is, and I'm being truthful here, it only takes me 1/2 hour to unload, unless there's someone taking their time in front of me, getting hourly pay.:biggrin_2559:
    Ofcorse the 16 hours, once a week, you still couldn't legally go beyond your 70.
     
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    Do you have written authorization to be relieved of duty during your work day. Although most companies provide this, not all, and without the authorization you are responsible for the tractor, trailer, and load until relieved.
     
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  10. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    Ah ha!! No, I don't!! I'd completely forgotten that. That, I'll bet, is where he was coming from. I've always been OTR, and still have that logic. Now that you mention it, I recall the companies I was with, always gave permission. :biggrin_2559:
    So, I'm either on line 3, or line 4, until I quit for the day. Now it makes sense!!
     
  11. THBatMan8

    THBatMan8 Road Train Member

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    Waiting for repair work needs to be logged on line 4. That's where you violated your logbook. Even if you leave the truck for breakfast, you still need to be logged 'on-duty' while repair work is being performed on the truck/trailer.
     
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