Line 1, can't go back?

The only time when you are not required to log on-duty time while repair work is performed on your truck is when you are relieved from the truck by the company, meaning they placed you in a hotel, or they placed you in a different truck. The location of the truck is irrelevant. In your scenario, you would stay on line 4. The OP did this and violated his logbook.

 

Why is it a log violation, I logged what I did? Did what I logged.

Now I can not see where I stated how long I was on duty for? Can you?

Now if you can get into the shipping office, back into a spot in 5 minutes then your quicker than me.. It normally takes 30 minutes when I arrive & 30 minutes when I leave, close doors slide tandums..

Really from what you stated your the one with the violation, just 45 minutes logged on duty when you arrive, Do you not go back in to collect your paperwork? That is on duty time too.....

I have been filling out my logs at the same place as you for over 5 years... As yet have to have a load/unload violation from company or DOT.

 

That's why you haven't violated anything, because you've been giving yourself enough time for a live load/unload to take place. Yes, anything that deals with getting paperwork, setting tandems, etc is on-duty on my logbook. Also, please stop generalizing my statements. That is VERY annoying. I never said anything about those 30-45 minutes being continuous. Believe me when I say that I have seen 'geniuses' log 5-10 minutes on a live load/unload, and then complain about the log violations that follow. These are the 'geniuses' you and I see at the terminals and internet forums complaining about why they don't make any money. Not just here at CRE, but Werner and DHL also (other companies I drove for).

 

Your right, this is one of the most abused areas in the log book. I know many drivers that will log they were in the sleeper the entire time they were loading/unloading and then try to justify the activity by trying to reinterpret the CSA to me. The worst part is that the dispatcher "expects" it.
The thing is, I really don't see what the big deal is. By staying on duty, your only working more time that will be given back during your recap. You end up with bigger problems by working short hour days.
I go on duty during all S/R activity then drop to off duty whenever I'm just sitting in the truck waiting (like at the dock).
I really don't have much of an issue with this as much as how it gets abused. For instance, say the shipper keeps you sitting around for 8-10 hours. Suddenly, you have just put in a break and now the dispatcher expects you to drive 11 hours with little to no sleep. Driving tired is deadly and this activity undermines what the CSA was trying to prevent. This is one of the main reasons I always log time at the shipper so I can always get my Sleep, and guess what; I still get plenty of miles.