How to Refuse a Police Search (USA only)

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Ranger_309, Dec 22, 2010.

  1. ghostchild

    ghostchild Road Train Member

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    oops....wrong thread....oops....
     
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  3. RizenPhoenix

    RizenPhoenix Road Train Member

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    What's wrong with demanding your privacy and telling the cop to do his job legally?
     
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  4. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    That's also on TV. You got to remember they are looking for ratings.
     
  5. SheriffJohn

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    Probable Cause is authority given to sworn peace officers to search a space or person without warrant. That's it in a nut shell. And HELL yes you can tell he cop "NO" he can not search your space. However, one might want to be respectful in saying no without actually saying no. Like, "I respect your position officer and the extremely hard job you have, but I am a law abiding citizen and I do not have anything illegal in my car." If the officer doesn't accept that as a "no," then actually say no.

    If they become more aggressive get names and numbers. If you're a regular guy driving a clean car/truck and you don't look like you just walked outta rap concert or Rob Zombie, then typically a cop will not ask to search your car. Yeah, cops do profile. ALL COPS PROFILE! Some coppers will ask if you have anything in your car you shouldn't have and you'll say no. Then the next line will be, "Mind if I have a look?" Then you should use the line above.

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  6. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    That's like saying all truck driver's are lying, road raging maniacs.
     
  7. zebcohobo

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    If they really want to look in your car or home bad enough, they can get a warrant in the amount of time it takes them to walk back to the car and call one in. I'm sure you've all heard the story of the clean cut professional that refused a search only to have the officer get a warrant and bring out the K-9. The dog gets to the backseat and starts going crazy clawing a hole in the leather. The officers dismantle the backseat only to find a chicken bone. Urban myth? Most likely. Funny as hell? You betcha'
     
  8. aussiejosh

    aussiejosh Road Train Member

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    Only in the movies mate only there.
     
  9. formertaxidriver

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    All respect, Dieselbear...you use your experience and instincts. We all do. That may be construed by some as profiling. I for one don't see how it's wrong. My brother is a Solo bike. I pray he profiles every day, it may save his life. Yours too....you have tools as we do to complete our tasks at hand. All of us do our best to stay alive.
     
  10. Eaton18

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    Profiling has and is being used by those that want to push an agenda, as a bad thing. It is the farthest from that. Without turning this into a no-no political argument, here is the simplest way to understand how LEO uses it.

    You're parked at the TA, and see someone vandalize or break into another truck. You get on your cellphone call the police, or just grab your CB and holler at other drivers what is happening. What is one question that will be asked, and the most important information needed to catch the perp?

    Description, so you tell them he's a white guy, about 5'10 to 6', weighs about 180#, short brown hair, wearing Steelers jacket (sorry nothing against the team), blue jeans, and cowboy boots.

    Now with that tell me who are you going to be looking for? A white-female, 5", 120#, red hair, white blouse, black slacks? NO, you're going to looking for anyone that matches the description. That's profiling. When you say you're not allowed to profile, you're saying that you can not use the description provided to locate the perp.

    Another example is when LEO gets a BOLO (that's Be On the Look Out) for those that don't know. LEO is parked in the median on the interstate. The BOLO states for him/her to BOLO for a Blue 1965 Ford Mustang, 2Dr Convertible, large rear tires, jacked-up in the rear, tinted windows, driven by a w/m, appearing to be in 20-30yoa, wearing a black ball cap with the CAT logo on the front. Car was last seen Eastbound from the 240 entrance ramp. Vehicle was stolen from the Wal-Mart parking lot about 15 mins ago.

    LEO must profile, which is nothing more than narrowing the search to those that match descriptions. Certain "groups" do not want profiling because it interferes with their agenda. Profiling makes it very difficult for them to succeed, so they want us to believe it is wrong to use it. I say it's wrong to not use it.

    This anti-profiling crap is just that a bunch of crap!!! You wanna cry fowl about it, don't cry when you get victimized, and the police can't find the person(s) responsible. After all you support the notion that profiling is bad.
     
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  11. Mekanic

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    Defintion of probable cause as I was taught in the police acadamy.

    probable cause:
    Facts and circumstances that would lead a normal prudent person to belive a crime has been, is being or will be committed.

    I remember hearing of a guy that got caught hauling drugs on 270 around Columbus Oh.
    He was driving a large U-haul truck from Houston Tx to Buffalo Ny.
    The cargo that was in the truck?? how about 15 used refridgeators.
    Some very old and some without doors. Drivers story was he was getting paid to haul them to buffalo.:biggrin_2559:
    One has to think were the fridges worth moveing at the cost of a cross country run in a U-haul?? THe driver was by himself and left houston 20 hours before. (Normal people driving like that will get a room after a driving half that distance)
    The drugs were in the false wall in the front of the upper part of the box.
    Ohio troopers are trained and told that U-haul uses rivets on thier boxes NOT phillips screws.
     
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