I've got an idea for an axle setup and could use some input on it. I'm looking into hauling hay (20,000-40,000 #) on 2,400 mile round trips. Loaded going out and empty coming home (1,200 miles each way) using (for the sake of discussion) a 2004 Freightliner Columbia (12.7 Detroit 450hp, 10 sp.) hooked to a 48' single drop flatbed (spread axle, air ride).
What I want to do is remove both axles on the truck, install a 23k drive axle (with locker) in the rear and a lift pusher axle in the front. Then, I want to replace the front axle on the trailer with a lift axle. My theory being, going down I can run with all 5 axles down and be perfectly legal and then when I turn and burn for home lift two axles up and save on money (fuel and tire wear). Also, if I had a half load or something I could lift jut the truck and still be good for 72k (12,20,20,20) or the truck and trailer and still be good for 52k (12,20,20). I do alot of smaller load deliveries locally (I can only haul 200 on my pickup and trailer setup) so the ability to use a tractor to deliver up to 32k (or so) and not have to scrub off my tires. Also useful for hauling around the backhoe or whatever else I can and still fit into the weight parameters.
So what do you guys think? Anybody done a setup like this? What would the disadvantages be? Any other ideas?
Thanks.
Trailer Lift/ Truck Pusher Axle Idea
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by TBigLug, Oct 12, 2011.
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do you consider option to place trailer axles more closer because 100inch of wheelbase between them is real problem for tires
maybe put last lift axle on trailer this will improve your turning radius
or if you want to put ETS and steerable axle , or maybe selfsteerable axle on trailer -
The only way this would be worth it is if your doing all the work yourself. If you had to pay for labor the savings would take forever to cover it or at all. There isn't any reason to swap the rear axle, your not talking big HP and you couldn't stack enough hay on there to hurt a 20k axle. Just pull the front drive axle and put a pusher in it's place I've got a lightweight W900 with a factory non liftable tag axle. The advantage of the rear axle being dead is you don't have the drive shaft to deal with.
As far as the trailer you don't have to remove anything, if it's a standard air ride axle all you need to do is buy the lift kit. Don't waste your time or money on a steerable axle. The "under beam lift" kit from Hendrickson is less than $500 and just welds on or you can make your own. -
trailer pusher axes are popular in Europe, but usuallly they all are with the same load, 6000 kg, but you can use pusher axe with single tires and a half load.
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i have a similar setup to the one you described.
1. you don't need a 23k axle.
i removed the front axle on the truck and replaced it with a drop center trailer axle. no power divider , less weight.
2. truck and trailer will need to be air ride though.
3. plumb your airlines so you can manually close off the front axle, bleed the air. 2 inch nylon straps will hold the axle up. dump the air out of the rear , tighten straps , "lift axle".
4. trailer the same way, steps 2 thru 3.
been running this system on my trailers for years. been running this system on my truck for 1 year. 50 bucks for a trailer lift axle. 2500 for conversion to the truck. i run new england weekly year round. heavy, light, i carry three ezpass transceivers, 3, 4 and 5 axle.
better tire life , better fuel economy , less weight, looks cool and the chicks dig it.TBigLug Thanks this. -
Here is the trailer lift kit. I paid $500 for the first one I bought and got 2 more for $300 each from Mac Trailer in Alliance Ohio.
fortycalglock Thanks this. -
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98989- I could put the lift in the rear. Would probably make more sense. I have to use a spread axle just to be sure I'm not over weight on any one axle.
Jfaulk- Yes, I would be doing all the work myself (along with some buddies who have a shop setup for working on big rigs and big tractors). And don't underestimate the weight of the hay. If you're not careful with second and third cut you could end up with 50k on there pretty easy.
lastgood- Thank you. That's the information I was needing. Do you have any issues witht he "lifted" truck axle getting in the way of the trailer? -
no interference at all.
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The only issue with the lift on the rear is the 10' of tail whip, not a big deal as long as you know it's there. To save some labor I would lift the axle that doesn't already have the leveling valve, since you don't care which one you lift it would save the work of moving it. 50k is still trivial, we used our KW with the dead axle to haul steel with 84k net. Sure it has a 23k drive axle but if a 23k can handle 84k I'm sure a 20k can easily handle 50k. Again your not talking big hp, a 450 detroit isn't known for being an axle snapping torque monster.

As far as saving fuel, lifting the trailer axle isn't going to make any measurable difference. It will save tires however the other axle may go through brakes a little faster but brakes are cheap.
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