RV/5th wheel delivery

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by tomhorn, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    I cannot say for sure on Florida. However, when you cross state lines commercially, you fall under the Federal law. States then have made it clear that no matter if I was legal in my home state, a comercial vehicle must comply with their state laws for licensing etc.

    A commercial motor vehicle is described under 390.5. This section leads to the weight of 10,001. A valid medical card is required to drive a commercial vehicle.

    I will state that in Illinois, I have heard and seen several car haulers placed out of service for inadequate license.

    Illinois requires a CDL on a vehicle towing a trailer greater than 10,000 lbs.
    I am sure many people would be glad to have this challenged but it has never been.

    In your position of legal background you may see a legal loophole. Most states have the policy aimed at regulating the industry with complex laws.
     
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  3. tomhorn

    tomhorn Light Load Member

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    I've looked at the IL statute and it is exactly the same as FL and Fed statute. If the GVWR of the combined truck/trailer is less than 26K lbs no CDL is required. I think I have found the problem on further research:
    Most dually trucks have a GVWR of 11K-13K and nearly all 3 car haulers and most 2 car haulers have a GVWR of at least 16K lbs, thus when you combine them (even though the actual weight is below 26K), they have a combined GVWR of 26K+. If you use a smaller trailer (2X7K axle = 14K GVWR) trailer, you don't need the dually to haul it, but if you go to a lighter GVWR truck (250/2500) with a GVWR of 8K-9K, then you can't haul the 16K+ trailers. So i guess it comes down to this: I can drive a 250/2500 and a two car 14K trailer and not get the CDL or I can go through the hassle and expense of redoing the sleep study to prove that my Obstructive Sleep Apnea went away after I hade my Liver Transplant. My insurance will not cover a re-do of the sleep study, as it is not "medically necessary". I guess if I'm going to pay a couple grand for a CDL, I might as well pay a grand or so to re-do the sleep study. If I do all this, I might as well just get a regualr truck driving gig. Then the problem is, who hires new graduates that gets you decent hometime in Jacksonville and doesn't treat you like garbage? I've heard bad things about CR England, Covenant and Swift. Star WAS supposedly god, but got bought by Covenant and is supposedly going downhill fast. The only other one that hires new drivers that has any kind of hometime in JAX is Cypress. I've heard they are not bad as a company, but that their equipment is dangerous junk. What's a guy to do. I would rather do anything other than sit for another bar exam. My Mi law license lapsed 4 years ago and if I take FL it won't be until next July, I won't get the result until next Dec and then I'm left trying to find a job with a firm at age 52. Now I know that those who have never been inside the legal profession think it's glamourous and pays great, but that's not true when you are new. You work 80 hours a week for $30K/yr doing research in the law library for 12-15 years, before you are promoted to Jr Partner and work 80 hours a week for $60K/yr kissing butts for 12-15 years then make Sr partner and make big money not doing much. If you do the math, they will NEVER promote a 65-70 yr old to JR Partner with the idea they will make him a senior partner at age 80-90. What they do is tell you that you will advance, put you in basement researching for $30k/yr, 7 days a week from 6am-10pm (sunday you can come in at 10am and leave at 8pm) and forget about you until you die. I love the open road and want to have some degree of freedom.
     
  4. Roadmedic

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    Hours are one of the reasons I left the accounting and tax preparation business after 21 years. I had employees, was middle management, key to building. Long Hours.

    Even worked XMAS day and eve, and lost 4 weeks vacation. Found the sun was hard to see. People thought the job was good, but when you looked at the hours worked, it wasn't.

    Only thing I miss is the benefits. I still have many personal clients, but they are used to waiting for me to come off the road. They know they can call my cell if needed.

    The plus in my life now is I see the sun.
     
  5. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Also on the type of car hauling you can get more info on hotshothauling.com
     
  6. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    A 1 ton pickup, 4 car trailer and 3 cars can easily exceed 26,001 lbs.
     
  7. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Unless you can get in a real tight niche you will not make a $$ hauling two cars. The rates are so cut throat that you can't afford to operate with just two.
     
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    Sorry to bust your bubble, but that MIGHT have been the dry shipping weight, but that is not at all realistic for an "on road" weight.
     
  9. latergator

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    I think you may be confusing the terms GVW and GVWR. You said the F-350 weighs approx 7000lbs...that would be its GVW. The GVWR, however, of that F-350 is in the 12,000lb range. Assuming the truck GVWR = 12,000lb, the trailer you tow must have GVWR less than or equal to 18,000lb to keep the GCWR less than or equal to 26,000lb. If not....you will need a Class A CDL to use this combination commercially. Section 3 of the 2007 Florida CDL Handbook defines the terms GVW, GCW, GVWR, and GCWR. Hope this helps.
     
  10. latergator

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    Doh! Made a math error in the post above, it should say "...the trailer you tow must have GVWR less than or equal to 14,000lb to keep the GCWR less than or equal to 26,000lb".
     
  11. Brickman

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    7000 lbs isn't even the GVW. It MIGHT be the dry shipping weight, but I doubt it. A diesel 4 dr dually is gonna be more like 8000 to 9000 especially if it has 4x4.
     
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