Advice Needed for New Truck

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by ishootbambi, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. ishootbambi

    ishootbambi Bobtail Member

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    ok fellas, im hoping to get pointed in the right direction. first, my name is dale, and ive been driving for 7 years. started off in frac for a company in alberta and have moved into frac sand delivery. i make good money doing this, but we have some owner ops making a whole bunch more. id like to get my own rig, but honestly, i just drive em and know pretty little about the differences from one to another.

    the rig im currently in is a 2011 pete. i know its a cat c15 with 550 horse. i need a pto with a blower, which i have figured out as well as the bunk options, but what im looking for is the specs for heavy loads off road. pulling 40 metric tonnes is normal and through fields and mud, so im guessing the heavier the better?

    i tried searching the forum, but found that most guys asking were a little vague in their questions. hopefully you guys can guide to me a good decision. thanks gentlemen.

    dale
     
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  3. Bent Wrench

    Bent Wrench Medium Load Member

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    That is a fairly specialized facet or trucking, I would suggest talking with the OO's that are making a "whole bunch more" for tips.
     
  4. ishootbambi

    ishootbambi Bobtail Member

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    honestly, they arent a bunch of help. they know about the same as i do about specs and such. kenworth t800s seem popular though. the brand name isnt so much what im hoping to see, but rather the numbers needed for heavy duty work. what ive seen so far is options for 12 front 40 rear vs 12 front 46 rear. seems to me that heavier is better, but i dont know exactly what those numbers mean. im thinking an 18 speed fuller is pretty standard, and the cat c15 at 550 is the same. i keep seeing 1850 torque popping up in searches....is that as good as it gets? of course fuel mileage matters too.

    one o/o just bought a new kenworth and he tells me that he uses about 580 liters of fuel on a typical trip while the pete im in averages 430. it cant be that much difference? he has the def nonsense on it which im sure doesnt help.
     
  5. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

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    Hauling heavy, off road, requires tougher trucks if you want it to last. 46k rears, 18 spd, double frame(2 frame rails, one inside each other), etc. Or, you can get a decent OTR truck tear it up for two years and trade it in and start all over again. The biggest factor in fuel mileage is the nut behind the wheel.
     
  6. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    There are dozens of answers to this question. We don't know enough to answer it. How much is off-road? What speed will you travel at on the road? How is the terrain, lot of long pulls? You speak of fuel used but no distance traveled. The numbers you speak of could be compared to 5.2 MPG and 7.0 MPG and yes there is that much of a range in fuel mileage. Usually there are differences in aerodynamics and/or gross weight to make such a large spread.

    Also most on the forum deal in pounds of gross weight, miles, gallons and MPG. You need to spend some time looking at the things you ask about and learning them. You also need to spend some time tracking expenses on the truck you drive to compare to what you can earn.

    I suggest this to insure your success. Just because others are making more owning a truck doesn't mean everyone will. The fuel numbers you gave are a perfect example. Since you gave no distance I can't give exact figures. In the US, at 5.2 MPG that is roughly a fuel cost of 0.75 CPM (Cents Per Mile) and at 7.0 MPG it is 0.56 CPM. That is a difference of 0.19 CPM in your pocket and could mean the difference between success and failure.

    A metric ton is 2204.62262 pounds. So if I understand your post, you are loading 88,200 pounds. If I understand correctly what you are posting you would be grossing somewhere around 115,000 and 125,000 pounds. How many axles on the truck and trailer? Is this a train? What kind of load is on the truck drivers? Unfortunately I find myself with more questions than answers.

    I would look at what others are running as a guideline. I think you will need the torque and horsepower. An 18 speed would be a great choice. The rear axle ratio will have to be geared low enough (a high number) to be able to pull the load based on roads and terrain. It also needs to also needs to be high enough (a smaller number) to allow you to run highway speed in the engines sweet spot. A heavier truck with heavy axel weight ratings would be good too. 34,000 lb rears mean they are designed for that weight. This could be a concern if you aren't pulling trains. The heavier trucks like T800's are designed for this type of service.
     
  7. Big John

    Big John Road Train Member

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  8. mgfg

    mgfg Road Train Member

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    Why would you want a CAT? There's a reason they left the truck engine market....their product is crap! Years ago they had the best engines on the market.....
     
  9. Big John

    Big John Road Train Member

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    Go back and read the post. He said the truck he is driving know has a Cat in it not that he was wanting one.
     
  10. mgfg

    mgfg Road Train Member

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    ESL classes for me!
     
  11. chalupa

    chalupa Road Train Member

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    Not that I love Cat either BUT that's NOT why they left the truck market. They left because the expense of bringing a cetified motor to market was too expensive....... ( and still make a profit ) so they got into bed with corn binder and co-conspired on a complete truck.

    It's actually been said "they couldn't bring it to market" and that " they couldn't make it work" but I don't buy that.

    And Detroit Diesel is no more either. The brand is dead, burried by Damlier. They will now design their own stuff and use the DD logos, name plate etc. Another sad day.....
     
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