Volvo dealer wants to charge me for TWO turbos!!!

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  1. bcondoral

    bcondoral Bobtail Member

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    I have a 2008 Volvo, with a DPF Cummins ISX engine- 500hp and 580 K miles. My driver was in Reno, when the turbo failed. I sent him to TEC Equipment, because that was the closest. After they replaced the turbo, they told me that the DPF is plugged, and has to be cleaned. I OK'd that. After they did that, the called to tell me that all the piping has to be steam cleaned, because there is heavy residue of hardened coolant and soot. My EGR cooler failed last year,making that possible so I said OK. At this point, my bill is $6500. After they did that, they called me that the new turbo was plugged, and has to be replaced, AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SECOND ONE TOO !!!!!!! That was because it was plugged with something that came from somewhere where they didn't inspect before....WHAT?????? And because of that, the warranty will most probably not cover it. On top of that, they said that the EGR cooler and valve have to be replaced also!!! I told them that I wasn't losing any coolant before the turbo went... Is it possible for the EGR cooler and valve to be damaged when the turbo failed? Any advice is appreciated, I'm kinda desperate here, the truck has been in their shop since 10/20. Thank you!!
     
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  3. Heavyd

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    I would tell them you are not paying for the second turbo, and this is why... When they asked you to continue cleaning and you said yes, they accepted responsibility for that. If they cleaned everything properly then how did any debris go through the turbo? I would say they didn't clean and or inspect anything properly or fully and that is why the second turbo failed. Their whole story sound fishy anyway. Any exhaust that goes through the turbo has to go through the engine first. Second turbo failing is more of Cummins warranty problem anyway. I would not pay anything either without some kind of proof. Exactly how is this second turbo "plugged"?
    Good luck, let us know how it turns out!
     
  4. bcondoral

    bcondoral Bobtail Member

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    They said that it is carbon deposits inside the engine that plugged the second one...but in a matter of seconds after they fired it up???
     
  5. magoo68

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    most likely debris that was in charge air cooler killed the new turbo.
     
  6. mrdevildog

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    wait a second here, lets start from the beginning, what was the complaint at first, what was going on with the truck, give all the details-low power, warning lights, smoke, excessive noise???
     
  7. Peterbilt05

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    The turbo was probably seized up right off the shelf. I've seen that several times with turbos for ISXs from the era that your truck is from.
     
  8. mechanicallmake

    mechanicallmake Bobtail Member

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    Call cummins. Sounds like workmanship problem if it never made it out the shop and they never advisied you to clean whatever they didnt clean.
     
  9. Heavyd

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    Yah, I really think this shop screwed something up from poor workmanship and want someone else to pay for their mistake. These turbos are probably $3500 cost to them. Sounds like a smaller shop that can't take a loss and are trying to stick it to the customer.
     
  10. Riverstick

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    Right with you on that one HeavyD. From what I have learned from reading this forum,I am amazed at the poor workmanship that Volvo shops in the US seem to be putting out....and the prices they are charging for dire workmanship is exaccerbating. They really need to deal with this issue and employ/train better technicians if they intend to maintain/increase market share.
     
  11. Heavyd

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    We just had a truck in with a DPF Cummins. Changed the turbo for some chugging issues. New turbo lasted 10 days. Active code for turbo actuator motor not responding. Found turbo sector shaft stuck or seized in place. We put a 3rd turbo on today and it lasted 2 hours. Customer came back, same code! Removed the actuator on this 3rd turbo and it was stuck too! WTF? We called Cummins and they said debris from the engine is the only cause, BS! We just put this on today! Again, any thing from the engine has to go through the cylinders first and the engine is fine, how can a turbo get plugged up in 2 hours? We removed the turbo and actually split it apart. We found the turbine housing wasn't perfectly lined up and the turbo fins where jammed into the unison ring and bent. Upon closer inspection we found a previous gouge in the casting from where the two housings were forced apart from what looks like a chisel. This gouge prevented the two housing from being mated square to each other. The turbo fins are supposed to slide straight in and out of the unison ring, but they were on a slight angle and that is how they got jammed and failed the turbo. We took pictures and sent to Cummins, they are now investigating. Chances are they rebuilt by the same facility, probably by the same dude who is wrecking these housings by forcing them apart during rebuilding!!!
     
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