An apology from someone who misses the road....

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by SmoothShifter, Nov 7, 2011.

  1. Kittyfoot

    Kittyfoot Crusty Ancient

    2,092
    3,056
    Sep 21, 2009
    Sorrento, Louisiana
    0
    Straight up, I have no use for drugs, especially around an 18 wheeler. Dealers are scum and a waste of breath.

    But Shifter, you impressed me here. No blaming others, no whining, no I have the right to do anything I want crap. Believe me, I know what it takes to stand up and say "I screwed up" and then deal with it.

    I'll be looking forward to your progress. I believe you're going to be fine.
     
    48Packard and SmoothShifter Thank this.
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. chuckwagon78

    chuckwagon78 Bobtail Member

    16
    6
    Nov 4, 2011
    Arkansas
    0
    My uncle lost two good jobs because of that stuff.. One he had been at for almost 15 years.. The other he got hurt and guess what? But now he is a mechanical engineer and travels the world. He told me once he just works and has better concentration when high. I went and stayed a few days with him this summer and asked about it. He said "the things i did then make me who i am today and the crap the doc gives me is better than anything i grew" :biggrin_2554:
     
    SmoothShifter Thanks this.
  4. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

    3,640
    4,959
    Oct 10, 2006
    NC
    0
    As far as getting another job and your employment history......I believe in being honest. I do not steal from people or companies. In fact, I will pay for things myself when the company won't if I feel it is needed. That being said, as far as I'm concerned, if it's not on the DAC, it didn't happen. These companies use the DAC more religilously than the Bible, and will shaft you in a heartbeat. If they want to live by it, so be it. If you did not lose your license, and there is no record anywhere of a failed test, including DAC, let the companies live with the DAC report they swear by.

    Sometimes omission is necessary.
     
    SmoothShifter Thanks this.
  5. Kittyfoot

    Kittyfoot Crusty Ancient

    2,092
    3,056
    Sep 21, 2009
    Sorrento, Louisiana
    0
    Tell that crap to someone who hasn't seen the bloody remains from an a-hole who was "concentrating". Ever see how much blood a human body contains when it's ripped open? Ever see a 5 yr old girl with a leg crushed and who will never see her mommy again?

    Drugs or booze, it don't matter. Anyone who goes near a vehicle of any kind with that #### in their system deserves anything that happens to them.
     
    Lonesome and SmoothShifter Thank this.
  6. Mommas_money_maker

    Mommas_money_maker Road Train Member

    1,122
    765
    Oct 2, 2011
    North Carolina
    0
    First I want to say that you get my respect for coming clean and not whining about and showing great integrity, not many ppl have that. You screwed up but you manned up. Second, Yes ppl around me smoke it and I dont care, they dont drive for a living. I dont have any bad things to say about pot as I smoked it when young. This should be a good lesson to anyone who drives a truck for a living and drinks and/or smokes weed as is it really worth your livelihood? Yes I drink but you wont see me doing that when I'm on the road for weeks at a time, I wait for hometime and stay at home while I enjoy ####tail hour. Think before you do as its only a matter of time before it catches up to you.
     
    SmoothShifter Thanks this.
  7. SmoothShifter

    SmoothShifter Defender of the Driveline

    561
    581
    Sep 10, 2010
    Feura Bush, NY
    0
    Life is about learning lessons. I'm a big believer in 2nd chances. It's the people that need 3 and above that aren't getting something out of it.

    I'm curious as to what the bad idea was. PM me if you want.

    Fired, no unemployment, not re-hirable anywhere else. It's not a good gamble in these days with unemployment where it is.

    Maybe it did. I learned quite a few lessons on life, and I would have never had the experience of seeing how scum-baggy the sales business is. Actually, I heard from someone who ran a pretty straight up dealership and then got out after management changed hands. Maybe I was just working for the wrong group of people. Still an eye opener.

    After speaking with a really cool substance abuse professional at length ( he was actually up in Indiana someplace), we spoke of how common is was for people to test positive for weed, because it stores in your fat cells long after the buzz is gone.

    I'm not fond of the cannabis laws myself, but like I said in the OP, it wouldn't matter if it was legal or not, the industry wouldn't give you the liberty to enjoy it in your off time. They would have to remove it from the 5 panel, and come up with a test to determine "impairment".

    That would mean a spot check with a saliva test roadside, as they do in Europe, and most drivers would scream that their liberties are being challenged. I'm not sure how Canada handles it, but they seem to be a little more tolerant of what people do in their free time.

    Repeat, "free time...."

    I know a lot of y'all live in your trucks, and it's a fine line you walk with regard to that.

    I'm guessing Uncle wasn't in transportation to begin with? I suppose if I was a furniture restorer, or something like that, I could see the benefit of being able to concentrate.

    In your last sentence, are you comparing prescription drugs to weed? It's funny, I've seen folks be anti-pot and scarf down Xanax like it came from a Pez dispenser.

    And to agree with Rag, prescription drug abuse is way out of hand.

    I believe in being honest as well, and it's why I bowed out to begin with and take a swat at selling cars. The DAC and the FMCSA rules are 2 different animals. In fact, my 11 year stint in foodservice is no where on the DAC, they don't use it.

    There is a record of the failed test. It quietly sits in a file cabinet of my previous employer in the HR office. They didn't report it to DAC, I didn't get my CDL jerked like you would in a different state. However.....

    Lets say I omit that pesky little job. Get back to big truck truckin'. No pot smokin' in my free time, of course. Life is good, I've got a wallet full of cash, a nice shiny new Peterbilt with a load of lumber running the speed limit, coffee cup steamin' away in the cup holder, listening to the Eagles sing, "Take it Easy...." and all of a sudden, a drunk driver crosses my path and shiny Peterbilt T-Bone's his Honda Civic - and him and his equally drunk friends all die in the resulting crash.

    Well, a lawyer is gonna get involved, because of course, he needs lots of money, and we all know it was that trucks fault for being there anyway and getting in the way of his poor innocent intoxicated client/victim.

    Lawyer is going to start digging. Tax returns, background checks, lots of phone calls. Trying to find some way of blaming that killer rig and driver. And he's going to find out one little minor detail when he stumbles onto Ms. HR Lady from that pesky little job that I reported on last years 1040.

    Per the Department of Transportation guidelines, Mr. SmoothShifter wasn't legally qualified to drive a CMV because he left out a little important detail on his job history, and failed to complete the "return to duty process". That makes Mr. SmoothShifter guilty of voluntary manslaughter, even tho' Mr. Drunk 4-wheeler had a BAC in the stratosphere.

    Granted, that's a worst case scenario, but it could happen. In my 31 years of big truck' truckin, I've had many close calls as inebriated drivers weaved all over the road.. And in retrospect, I'm pretty #### lucky that Mr. Drunk 4-wheeler didn't cross my path and I ticked the meter on a post accident drug test.

    As I started to ponder whether or not to write my original post, I knew I was going to come across someone who had lost someone to an impaired driver. I'm sorry for your loss and I'm sorry for any time I got behind the wheel when I shouldn't have, whatever the circumstance. I was fortunate, I never hurt anyone, or wrecked any equipment. Still was wrong, tho' ....

    Look, a lot of us who have been around the industry for 30+ years will whistle and innocently stare at the ceiling when reminiscing about the old days. I was around rigs since I was 18, and I didn't calm down for a good 10 years. I had hair halfway down my back, was the atypical "outlaw" for quite some time.

    Having kids brought me around, and the only thing I was guilty of for a long time was driving too tired ... which should be equally unacceptable in this industry. That's impairment too.

    The sad thing is that I had a good job with a pretty bright future. I'd probably be in management right now if I had played my cards right and kept my focus. And I was the kind of manager you would really want, because I never, ever, will forget what it is like behind the wheel. Stable company, righteous equipment, good contract and a lot of potential. And..... a zero tolerance policy. Had they given me a 2nd chance, I would have jumped through flaming hoops to keep the gig.

    I think the words "zero tolerance" are overused. The SAP I spoke to said verbatim, " The guys that failed one random are typically the best ones to have. They get tested more than anybody, and 9 times out of 10 have learned their lesson...."

    But, maybe I had some lessons to learn. Maybe I wouldn't be inspired to write about it. Maybe, just maybe, I need to learn the frustrations firsthand of trying to do the right thing. I wouldn't write exactly what I'm saying, if I hadn't experienced what I did so far.

    ****

    Stranger, it's ironic you have a picture of a crackerbox, that was the first truck I ever drove. 238 Detroit, 10 speed and a tag axle. It took me 21 minutes to climb the hill on 84 outside of Matamoras, PA heading back into NY.

    *****

    Thanks for the kind words so far, folks. It's pretty inspiring, actually. :biggrin_25514:
     
  8. Wargames

    Wargames Captain Crusty

    3,256
    7,469
    Jul 22, 2010
    WI.
    0
    My friend came back from Vietnam, and thats all he did was Smoke and Drink. He used to trade rolls of salami for weed, from the Vietnamese. This guy can build the coolest custom built fireplaces you would ever see. Then slowly Drugs and Mostly Alcohol stopped everything. Now he just sits around and drinks, STILL. He is 66.
     
  9. ironeagle2006

    ironeagle2006 Road Train Member

    Smooth Shifter the reason why the Drug testing Regs are the way they are is because of 2 People they took a set of Light Engines on the Northeast Corridor and ran thru a Red Signal and less than 1 minute later were Rammed by a Passenger Train and killed 16 People in 1987. What were they High on Marijunia the accident happen at Chase Maryland at the Gunpow Interlocking. What prevented it from being worse was there were Empty cars that were supposed to fill up at Philadelphia for the trip to NYC. That is all that prevent hundreds from dying. Even after the accident the Engineer and Conductor of the Light Locos swore they had done nothing Wrong.
     
  10. Lonesome

    Lonesome Mr. Sarcasm

    11,496
    23,783
    Dec 15, 2007
    Northern Indiana
    0
    Personally, I think marijuana should either be 100% legal, and regulated like alcohol, or prescription drugs, or outlawed completely.

    None of this krap "for medical use", or "less than 2 oz is a misdemeanor", etc. Anyone that want's it can claim medical use and find a doc to write a scrip. And why is having a certain amount less of a penalty? Regulate it, tax it, or completely outlaw it.
    I tried it in high school 30+ years ago, it didn't do much for me, except give me a headache!
     
    Jarhed1964 Thanks this.
  11. Wargames

    Wargames Captain Crusty

    3,256
    7,469
    Jul 22, 2010
    WI.
    0
    I strongly would not want the Guberment to legalize pot. These days, they cant drive as it is. Probably has a lot to do with automatic trucks though.:biggrin_25519:
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.