How Many Walking Floor Drivers??

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by GOV'T_Trucker, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    My empty weight is around 50380, depending on fuel, with the 7 axle I usually drag, and up to 53600 with one of the 8 axles. It's pretty much average I gross out at 130k+. I really like dragging these things, ours, Titan thinwalls pull very nicely at 50' and 140 cubic yard capacity. I learned very early on, if you don't lift those axles, you're just NOT going to make that turn, just a little on the job training with that one. It only took once to learn that!!:biggrin_2559:
     
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  3. GOV'T_Trucker

    GOV'T_Trucker Heavy Load Member

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    Do you have steerable axles??
     
  4. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    No, I'm not sure they're even legal here. The first ones I ever saw were on one of Robert's trucks, it looked weird at first glance. Have you ever pulled any of them?
     
  5. GOV'T_Trucker

    GOV'T_Trucker Heavy Load Member

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    The super singles on the Scaletta trucks and the front and rear axles on the 5 axle city trailer are all steers.... They are required in Ontario... Under the SPIF laws (Safe, Productive, Infrastructure-Friendly).... It keeps the weight on the axles while turning.... Since with non-steering lift axles you need to lift them for corners so you don't break anything or blow the tire of the rim.... So when you lift it takes the weight of the axles and puts a lot of added weight on the stationary axles..

    Yes I have pulled the trailers with the steer axles... Depending on your configuration it can help with turning as well. Like our 5 axles with the 1-3-1 setup the front lift axle turns one way and the back lift axle turn the opposite way which helps the trailer turn in a small turn (so you don't need to make as wide of a turn)... It's great for going around corners as well because the weight is on all axles throughout the turn....

    In Ontario if you don't have spif axles then you loose X amount of weight per rigid lift axle depending on different factors (type of trailer, year made, etc...)... If you think about it the steerable axles really do many sense... You can run them down even if you don't have the weight required (so I can run 5 axles even tho I only may need 4) and they give you lots of added braking and traction... You can even run them when you empty if you want the extra traction/braking...

    On a side note.. Anyone who has run open top trailers that are loaded with a rubber tire (like in my sig)... Do you think it's ok on the trailer air-bags to load with them inflated?? Even when your packing the load down or whatever.. I dump the air when I load but a few times here and there I have loaded with air in the bags... I just don't know if the weight of packing downwards on the trailer could ruin something in the suspension...

    Any thoughts on this:
     
  6. GOV'T_Trucker

    GOV'T_Trucker Heavy Load Member

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    BTW: Those steerable axles are legal in Michigan I am pretty sure... Otherwise the Scaletta company wouldn't be allowed to run into Michigan.. They are better then rigid life axles so I can't see why they wouldn't allow them..

    Also I am pretty sure that when I use to do the US and be in Michigan all the time (a while back) that those front off-loading cement trucks (those are few and far between here btw) that they have a rear steering lift axle on the back of the truck.. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure those were steerable and they just have smaller regular sized single truck tire (not a super single)
     
  7. usatrucker01

    usatrucker01 Light Load Member

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    well called it a live bottom use to haul wood chips
     
  8. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    That's a very good argument for the steerable axles as far as weight distribution, plus it's one less thing you'd have to contend with while turning a corner. As it is with the 7 axle I usually haul, my first 3 are lifts, [a double spread with supersingles, and duals on #3], as are my last two. When I'm loaded, I lock down the #6 axle because of the excess weight that would be on the #4/#5 axles. So in effect, I'm running a tridem around corners.
    Those Scaleeta trailers are identical to mine except for the steer axles.
    I could easily be wrong, but I think at one time the steerable axles were only allowed here if you didn't lower them. I know I haven't seen any up here that I'm aware of, but then there are a lot of trash haulers down state out of Ontario, and they might be using them. [I try to stay away from that part of Michigan!!]:biggrin_2559:

    As for loading the trailer with an endloader, that's all we use. We don't dump the trailer air at all when being loaded, and our trailers are all air ride axles. I think if the loader operator uses a bit of discretion, as in not lifting the front of the machine off the ground when packing down,you'd be fine. There is one place some of the guys go to that refuses to pack mulch down, they're a pretty paranoid outfit and are worried about getting sued. They won't even spread the material on the top because if they nick the trailer edge, they just know they'll be sued. I think they're just buttwipes and want to see the driver bust his butt. A couple times the final customer has said something about not getting a full load because of this. As it goes down the road it settles and sometimes there's as much 18" between the top of the load, and top edge of trailer, by the time it's delivered
    Now our own guys, we just load it up, and pack it down within reason.

    I agree with those steer axles being better, you wouldn't be scuffing the pavement as much with better weight distribution like those would give you in a turn.
    A couple of our older "potato" wagons are 8 axle, with the first three being lifts, as well as the last, all with duals, and I can tell ya, you sure notice having 4 axles in the dirt when turning, it feels like it's stressing the whole truck, which it likely is doing.
     
  9. fisher guy

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    were loaded by excavator and front end loaders and we dont touch the air dump valve in some of the places we go they got some rough operators so rough you want to just jump out and strangle the guy ( ive ripped....i mean relieved one operator of duty and loaded my trailer myself. i've been doing this for about 9 months now and have the only air ride trailer in the fleet and havent had any problems with bags blowing out
     
  10. GOV'T_Trucker

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    Yeah me personally I just dump my air-ride... Like I said sometimes I have done it with the bags dumped but 99% of the time they are dumped.. It has only been recently that I have been leaving them inflated.. When I get loaded on a close top thru a compactor they are always inflated with the odd time I have to dump them because the hopper and trailer don't meet up the greatest..

    I am a VERY good operator I always get the weights on, my loads are always clean and I am quick... I am not rough with the trailer I has when I see guys banging trailers and loaders around.. At one point tho we ALL use beat the trailers, loader and ourselves up because the company wanted a certain amount of weight on the trailers and the only way to get the weight was to beat the piss out of the trailers pretty much so that the load would be under the rails so the tarps could close... This had nothing to do with us as operators, this had to do with the company wanted to try to get a weight in the trailer that was pretty impossible (I am talking recycling - depending on the material that day if it was wet, dry lots of cardboard in load)... The load wheels would constantly be off the group a few feet....

    I guess it's just a general "rule" we follow in our fleet.. I would have to say that almost all of the open top guys dump the tractor and trailer air... With 1-3 guys that don't dump the air ever... Also it's a common practice for us to dump the air in the trailers when we unhook at well... Before when I worked at other companies we never had to dump the air before dropping the trailer.. We dump them if they are empty and definitely dump them when they are loaded we have had some guys forget and have had the landing gear bend..

    I think it's easier on the trailer to dump the air regardless of how you load... When I am packing the trailer it just rocks from the machine pushing the material down (and I don't get the wheels of the ground on loader)... I think that you can get more weight on easier with them dumps because now the trailer and tractor are like having a solid suspension rather then suspension that has give to it.....



    As for the lift axles... John how do you "lock down" your lift axle?? Do you have a valve that allows for this to be done... I know the only valves we have on our lift axles are to dump the air out and to "lock out" the axle.. So it lifts the axle and locks it in the up position.. Axle switch in tractor no longer will control that axle...
     
  11. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    On my usual trailer, and the rest of the newer Titans, there is a solenoid type valve for each axle, with an over ride push type valve. You just push the over ride down into the solenoid valve, and give it about a 1/4 turn, and that axle will lower. We have the toggles there as well, but those are are left in the on position, unless you want to "lock" the axle in the raised position like you mentioned. On my trailer, I can actually dial in what ever preload I want on each axle. Some of the trailers are only set up to do multiple axles from one regulator. They all work well, mine is just a bit more exact, read that "pain". You have to air up the trailer, dial in your preload, then wait to make sure you didn't turn the regulator too much. With 7 axles, it can take a bit of time to do it, but I'm lazy, I've got them adjusted after a lot of trial and error, that I don't fool with it much, except for the front spread. I like to increase/decrease the pressure on that one depending on what kind of load I want on my drives for highway or offroad, and soon for ice/snow. But you don't want to adjust it a lot, or it will throw off the other axles.:biggrin_25525:
     
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